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Thursday, November 20, 2008

Thomas Sowell on Tolerance and the "Right to Win"

I've already come out and let people know I'm a Mormon. Now I'm really putting my neck on the line by coming out as a fan of Thomas Sowell, the black intellectual who refuses to fit stereotypical expectations. His recent column, "The Right to Win," raises some interesting questions about the Proposition 8 backlash against blacks and Mormons.

12 comments:

Jayleen said...

I have been a fan of Thomas Sowell for many years. He is a brilliant man.

At Michelle Malkin's site right now, every post she makes about the rabid gay attacks on Mormons because of Prop 8 brings out the evangelicals who are vicious in their attacks against the Church. The threads are simply disinigrating into venomous anti-Mormon diatribes.

Evangelical mobs. lol Not very dangerous really. They're all talk. But they are vicious and extremely bigoted towards us.

But one made a comment that I remember thinking prior to my conversion. He said, "We have the truth, Mormons have the fruit."

Then someone commented that 'Ye shall know them by their fruits.' and then the mob got more vicious. Oh well. I think we're in for a bumpy ride.

Anonymous said...

A well deserved bumpy ride. :)

SilverRain said...

I don't think this really hit home for me until a years-long friend of mine—non-religious—told me, essentially, "Well, the religious deserve it because they have been pushing their ideals on everyone else."

I think there is a lot more hate against the religious, and Mormons especially, in the mainstream than I thought before. I don't think it will take much, or take long, for it to bloom like a corpse flower. And we Mormons have the dubious pleasure of having rabid enemies on both sides of the issue.

Ryan said...

SilverRain said...
"Well, the religious deserve it because they have been pushing their ideals on everyone else."

I think there is a lot more hate against the religious, and Mormons especially, in the mainstream than I thought before.


Let's not fool ourselves here... the issue is not about *whether* ideals should be pushed, but *whose* ideals should be pushed.

This is the first time in the world's history that a significant chunk of the world's population lives under truly secular governments, with a corresponding pressure for secular ideals to be pushed...

... and the dogma of the secular non-religion is that science and rational thought are the answer to everything. Every other belief or position you hold must derive from a scientific, rational argument. Otherwise, "it is the effect of a frenzied mind; and this derangement of your minds comes because of the [religious] traditions of your fathers, which lead you away into a belief of things which are not so."

Translation: religious people (at least the ones whose beliefs affect their behavior) are heretics in this new secular non-religion, and we all know what that means -- "tolerate" (= ignore) them when you're in a good mood, and burn'em at the stake when you're not.

From the article:
a San Francisco Supervisor [at a protest] said "The Mormon church has had to rely on our tolerance in the past, to be able to express their beliefs." He added, "This is a huge mistake for them. It looks like they've forgotten some lessons."

Anonymous said...

I've always liked Thomas Sowell--

thank you for posting this--

good article--

Anonymous said...

that was suzyq; I try to use the name "function", and it doesn't transfer--

Anonymous said...

Reminds me of the JFK speech.
Search YouTube for "John F. Kennedy Moon Speech "
Prophetic

Papa D said...

"And we Mormons have the dubious pleasure of having rabid enemies on both sides of the issue."

You know you have it right when both extremes think you're wrong.

Anonymous said...

Thomas Sowell, quite possibly the most intellegent man in the United States if not the world.

Civil disobedience is seldom civil. Thoreau is to blame.

Anonymous said...

Papa, you just keep telling yourself that. :)

Fabysted said...

Hey, isn't Sowell a conservative? Therefore, he's obviously a racist.

Bookslinger said...

Papa D: that's not universally true. The truth is not necessarily always in the middle of the road.

If one takes that course, the devil can "triangulate" you away from the path. For oftentimes, the truth really is at one extreme.