tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post116873914068199260..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Single Men: Let's Keep Polygamy Forbidden and IllegalJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-81134906081992575652007-02-28T22:18:00.000-06:002007-02-28T22:18:00.000-06:00Just a thought. God loves his daughters. His marr...Just a thought. God loves his daughters. His marriage plan is so his daughters can be Mothers and wives in an honorable marriage with an honorable man that will treat her with love and respect.<BR/>After one marriage and several years with the adult singles, I found that honorable man and that full life. Too bad a woman has to leave the LDS church to find the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the joy the fullness of it can bring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-52855670211243295322007-02-14T11:29:00.000-06:002007-02-14T11:29:00.000-06:00The male female birth ratio is 106 male births to ...The male female birth ratio is 106 male births to 100 female births, there is already a built in imbalance. Men however, die younger than women but the numbers do not begin to equalize until middle age, then women begin to outnumber men. Aggregate numbers of males/females indicate more women than men but the women are older and past their reproductive years. <BR/>Add the factor of polygamy with a natural imbalance and you get a lot of single bachelors with no opportunity for marriage. Do the math, one man with 3 wives means 2. something single men. These men shouldn't be marrying or pursuing underage girls and don't want to marry 60 + year old women. <BR/>Bottom line, polygamy is a way in which certain men in a good old boys type network can have multiple women while unfairly cutting other men out. I guess it's a good deal if you're one of those boys in good with the inner circle but if you're not then you're a fool for buying into it.domondonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03321750673252623521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-25838917202636520582007-02-04T11:44:00.000-06:002007-02-04T11:44:00.000-06:00Before converting, I studied and studied on the su...Before converting, I studied and studied on the subject -- anti materials, church materials, historical, etc. I unfortunately agree with the first poster. Joseph Smith although a wonderful tool for Heavenly Father was a man - a flawed man. Unfortunately, like many men of God, he had a weakness for women, and there is no valid historical perspective that supports polygamy. That fact that it was kept secret at onset, and that many members were not spritually convicted of the practice, to me proves its falsityAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1169963939105028352007-01-27T23:58:00.000-06:002007-01-27T23:58:00.000-06:00I see no problem of it being legal or the lord res...I see no problem of it being legal or the lord restoring it. It is only a western idealogy that is is taboo. Threw out the bible people had many wives crist had more than one as well. Read the journal of discourse is you dont belive me. There will be a time in the not so distant time that it will be reinstated. See teachings of j.s. he said that the time of 7 women taking hold one man had not been fulilled he said that after he anounced polygamy. Im all for it if the man can suport more then one wife in all aspects of life. As for me one is enough work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1169048014345407502007-01-17T09:33:00.000-06:002007-01-17T09:33:00.000-06:00I think in the time from the 40-60s men where look...I think in the time from the 40-60s men where looking to get married, but where I come from today you often hear of women complaining that men just dont want to get married, <BR/><BR/>but you also have a turning of times where women are refusing to marry also. <BR/><BR/>another thought on the matter of polgamy is Muslims in Ireland whom practice such things seem to be able to do so with ease without punishment from the Goverment <BR/><BR/>prehaps this is to do with not wishing to offend Muslims, in the poltically correct world that we live in today, <BR/><BR/> if the same where applied to LDS in their time frame my guess is we would still be a people whom practise polygamy,<BR/><BR/> now the question would be is that such a bad thing..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168985509806493432007-01-16T16:11:00.000-06:002007-01-16T16:11:00.000-06:00Doug, did you read my post?#1) I didn't present an...Doug, did you read my post?<BR/><BR/>#1) I didn't present any statistics, only instances from one man's life.<BR/>#2) That man was Wilford Woodruff, not Joseph Smith.<BR/><BR/>I could have made a mistake, but correct what I said, don't go off on something totally unrelated. Joseph Smith did marry a wide range of ages, but he also did it on the sly (i.e. he actively lied about it to many people, including his wife). Once it went mainstream, what were the average marriage ages like? That's the question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168979838469066592007-01-16T14:37:00.000-06:002007-01-16T14:37:00.000-06:00I agree with the entire idea of Polygamy I mean lo...I agree with the entire idea of Polygamy I mean love is love yes or no? How can it be cheating if everyone knows everyone else. I believe there should be rules such as there are with nrmal marriages and such as being of legal age and things. I personally think that the image of a few dictate how the mjority feel as they are either followers or misguided. I for one would like to see people have more open mindedness and I would like to see more love in this world. I believe there is far too much hate and maybe if we all loved one another like it says in every writing "from" God's (gods') words it says to love one another adn such. If your not for sharing then by all means find someone who isn't into that either how ever if you are into it, in the words of Nike "Just do it." I mean what happens in the bedroom should stay there, unless your invited to join my wife and I stay the hell out of my bedroom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168933642996276362007-01-16T01:47:00.000-06:002007-01-16T01:47:00.000-06:00I am a woman who sometimes wishes Polygamy were st...I am a woman who sometimes wishes Polygamy were still the way of the church. I would rather share a righteous man than have my choice of all the unrighteous ones. I am a 3-year convert to the Church and have been single for a long time. I always wanted a man with 'Mormon' standards but didn't know where to find one. Now I know but the righteous ones are taken!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168912262837524812007-01-15T19:51:00.000-06:002007-01-15T19:51:00.000-06:00And then there are those who condemn LDS for (prev...And then there are those who condemn LDS for (previous) polygamous marriage, all the while going merrily from partner to partner without marriage at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168905297786966632007-01-15T17:54:00.000-06:002007-01-15T17:54:00.000-06:00Of course MOST Americans believe in polygamy and p...Of course MOST Americans believe in polygamy and polyandry--they just do serially, not parallel (re: divorce and remarriage). -cpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168892531332915962007-01-15T14:22:00.000-06:002007-01-15T14:22:00.000-06:00I have long speculated along the same lines as Bro...I have long speculated along the same lines as Bro. Brigham regarding polygamy, but was never sufficiently motivated to do the research. Thanks, Jeff.<BR/><BR/>Ruadamu2 says, "...religion...is a topic that cannot be disproven even though there is absolutely no evidence to support it..."<BR/><BR/>Well, there is evidence, and plenty of it. I think what he meant to say was "proof". There's quite a big difference between "evidence" and "proof".<BR/><BR/>My point being, that those who are willing to exercise the faith to follow the bread crumb trail make amazing discoveries. The faith that must be exercised is not to believe in some intellectual concept, but rather to obey God's commandments and to seek him diligently. Don't mistake Jeff's interesting posts as an attempt to prove anything.<BR/><BR/>One good thing that Warren Jeffs has provided for us is the "signature" of someone who uses religion as a front for evil purposes. I can't say that it resembles the pattern or products of Joseph Smith's life in any meaningful way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168869390057842242007-01-15T07:56:00.000-06:002007-01-15T07:56:00.000-06:00Brigham seems to be suggesting that the polygynous...Brigham seems to be suggesting that the polygynous marriage market operated competitively with the monogamous one--I'm not sure that's true. When you look at the average age of the first wife, how did it compare to successive wives? I know in the case of Wilford Woodruff, he was 30 when he married his first wife, who was also 30. Then he married a handful of teenagers, including a 2-week-past-15-year-old. His oldest confirmed plural wife was 19! So, unless BY is suggesting that 15-year-old boys should be getting married, this doesn't really make sense. (Then there was that whole "castration of competitors with lesser Priesthoods" kerfuffle in Manti...)<BR/><BR/>Brigham's closing statement is wonderfully revealing and consistent with discourses throughout his life. He clearly views wives as chattel, not partners. Of course, women cannot be true equals to men in a polygamous system, so this kind of attitude isn't suprising; what's amazing is that Mormonism taught (and now is silent on, as opposed to teaching otherwise) that <B>this</B> was the Celestial order of things. Not only do we practice it here, but God practices it and so did Jesus.<BR/><BR/>A final thing that is interesting here is that the church is still very female-heavy when it comes to faithful members. Given that polygyny is still practiced in the event of death or "temporal divorce," it seems like once the system becomes legal the church will be stuck in another awkward bind, at least among those who hold it to any kind of standard. Well, to give the church credit, they are consistent in their duplicitous nature around the issue, decrying it publicly while practicing it privately, just like the good ol' days of the 1830's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168818150515385872007-01-14T17:42:00.000-06:002007-01-14T17:42:00.000-06:00The plea about keeping it illegal was somewhat ton...The plea about keeping it illegal was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Just my way of introducing the interesting issue of the effects that polygamy had on the marriage market. <BR/><BR/>I think most will agree that polygamy was tough on everybody. Even if it helped women have more options and more market clout in the phase of getting married, I didn't mean to imply that it made marriage any easier for the women or for anybody. A very challenging system indeed, in any dispensation. (With monogamous marriage as a close second. Being single is up there, too.)Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168791956246978662007-01-14T10:25:00.000-06:002007-01-14T10:25:00.000-06:00As a YSA female approaching the end of my college ...As a YSA female approaching the end of my college years, it is beginning to look less and less likely that I'll be getting married. I've been thinking about polygamy lately, and wondering: if I had the choice between it and remaining single and childless, which would I choose? I find polygamy absolutely revolting, and my personality type is probably the worst possible type for it, but I still am not sure which I would prefer.arielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07672510937140894712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168756166144991412007-01-14T00:29:00.000-06:002007-01-14T00:29:00.000-06:00I verilly testify to the veracity of Brigham Young...I verilly testify to the veracity of Brigham Youngs words.<BR/><BR/>I know too much of the spiritual and familial imbalance in which males tend to the deficient end.<BR/><BR/>I don't know as to polygamy returning in our life times. But the words sound of truth and feel of truth.HiveRadicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13833171988761106511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168750140409178732007-01-13T22:49:00.000-06:002007-01-13T22:49:00.000-06:00Anonymous, the primary reason that the church is o...Anonymous, the primary reason that the church is opposed to same-sex marriage is that they feel it would pave the way to other forms of "non-traditional marriage". Oh, they pontificate about "the sacredness of family", but deep down there is a fear that one day polygamy would be made legal. And given its history, the church does not want to open THAT can of worms. <BR/><BR/>Personally, what any consenting adults do with other consenting adults as to their relationship is none of my business.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168750040071021832007-01-13T22:47:00.000-06:002007-01-13T22:47:00.000-06:00Well, I to am a woman, and I think that nothing me...Well, I to am a woman, and I think that nothing mentioned in Jeff's post makes sense. Polygamy was/is a disservice to women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168749959446244782007-01-13T22:45:00.000-06:002007-01-13T22:45:00.000-06:00Conner,You are right about one thing. Me saying th...Conner,<BR/><BR/>You are right about one thing. Me saying that polygamy is not of God does not make it so. Now Joseph Smith saying it is of God equally does not make it so. That is the whole problem with religion. It is a topic that cannot be disproven even though there is absolutely no evidence to support it, it can't be refuted on the whole because you will just come back with an unfounded statement like, God doesn't want us to know what is in the sealed plates, or we're not ready yet.<BR/><BR/>Come on. When will we be ready?<BR/>I know, I know, in God's time. Give me a break.<BR/><BR/>Not everything you read in the Bible is true either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168749292560028092007-01-13T22:34:00.000-06:002007-01-13T22:34:00.000-06:00Amen to Anon @ 7:16.Amen to Anon @ 7:16.Prof. Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13200517069427286498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168744573998870832007-01-13T21:16:00.000-06:002007-01-13T21:16:00.000-06:00I'm curious about your choice of words "forbidden"...I'm curious about your choice of words "forbidden" and "illegal" in this title. The posted content explained, for the most part, why polygamy happened, not why it ought to be forbidden or illegal.<BR/><BR/>In a free society why should polygamy be forbidden or illegal? Shouldn't we allow others to worship "how, when, or where they may"?<BR/><BR/>Just because you or I don't want to be in a polygamy relationship (and claim that our God doesn't want this either) doesn't give us any authority to deny this to others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168744370838084052007-01-13T21:12:00.000-06:002007-01-13T21:12:00.000-06:00What is the hurry in getting married? If I were ki...What is the hurry in getting married? If I were king of the world, nobody would get married until at least age 25 - and even then 30 is better. It's important that young unmarried adults find themselves during their 20s. I would not trade my unmarried college years for anything in the world.<BR/><BR/>I first got married at age 29, and it was way too soon. I finally did it right at age 36 and I wouldn't have it any other way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168743634163664112007-01-13T21:00:00.000-06:002007-01-13T21:00:00.000-06:00ruadamu2,Your argument is as weak as it is erroneo...ruadamu2,<BR/><BR/>Your argument is as weak as it is erroneous. Next time, try backing up such broad claims with fact, citations, and logic.<BR/><BR/>Your blanket statement "polygamy is not of God" discredits several biblical prophets that were known to have polygamous relationships as well, just as it discredits modern prophets called of God.<BR/><BR/>Simply opining that it is a practice of men doesn't make it so. Then again, if such is your paradigm then nothing I say will change your misguided beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168743597931044282007-01-13T20:59:00.000-06:002007-01-13T20:59:00.000-06:00I am a woman and I think that this is perhaps one ...I am a woman and I think that this is perhaps one of the most valuable things I have read on polygamy. It makes complete sense to me as a woman. Thanks for the great post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1168741419482870772007-01-13T20:23:00.000-06:002007-01-13T20:23:00.000-06:00Ok, that is a new twist on polygamy that I have ye...Ok, that is a new twist on polygamy that I have yet to hear, but it is just as weak as all the refuted excuses. So the Lord is going to convince men to get married by forcing women into immoral unions? Fat Chance.<BR/><BR/>The reality is that Joseph Smith wanted relations with multiple women and dreamed up a way to make that happen.<BR/><BR/>And he lied to the mormon population in doing it. You know that, and so does everyone else.<BR/><BR/>Polygamy is not of God, it is of men, for men, and never did anything to advance the status of women despite the opinion of men. Please point to a woman with that same lame opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com