tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post1383778571433368178..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Fruits Meet for RepentanceJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger218125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-49808366172469619372011-04-15T18:26:11.229-05:002011-04-15T18:26:11.229-05:00Amen Johnny!Amen Johnny!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-32359106321944597072010-03-27T12:14:09.194-05:002010-03-27T12:14:09.194-05:00Jesus did not reveal "we are saved, after all...Jesus did not reveal "we are saved, after all we can do” like the Book of Mormon. The apostle's of Jesus did not believe we are "saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances" like Mormons. We are under grace, we do not continue in sin but walk in newness of life, we yield ourselves unto God, we are instruments of righteousness unto God, we yield ourselves servants to obey, we obey from the heart, we yield as servants to God to righteousness unto holiness, we have fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life, the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord (Rom.6:1-23). <br /><br />Moved by grace, man turns toward God and away from sin, thus accepting forgiveness and righteousness from on high (Rom.5:1-18). We can choose to believe or not believe the gospel (Mark.16:15,16; Luke.8:12,13). If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved (Rom.10:9). We are not saved by faith only, we are saved by grace through faith, it is the gift of God, not of works, not of ourselves (James 2:24; Eph.2:8,9). Faith is a fruit of the Spirit (Gal.5:22). Living faith involves charity, it is not faith only, we are doers of the word not hearers only (James 2:14-26; James 1:22). Faith alone is dead, if it has not works, without charity we are nothing even if we have faith (James 2:17; 1Cor 13:2). It is faith working through love, it is faith expressing itself through love, it is faith energized by (God's) love (Gal.5:6). The apostle Paul said, by the grace of God I am what I am, I labored yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me (1Cor.15:10). It is God which works in us as we work out your own salvation (Phil 2:12,13). According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another builds thereon (1Cor.3:10).<br /><br />We are careful to maintain good works because these things are good and profitable unto men (Titus 3:8). When we love God we keep his commandments, his commandments are to believe and love one another (1John 5:2; 1John 3:23). Jesus said if you wish to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me (Matt 19:21). Follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace (2Tim.2:22). Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost, being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life (Tit.3:5-7).Johnnytp://comparing-views.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-49300241016777286972008-05-09T07:27:00.000-05:002008-05-09T07:27:00.000-05:00I also had an interesting thought. Forgive me if I...I also had an interesting thought. Forgive me if I put my foot in my own mouth for not reading through all of the comments, but I believe I read a few where someone (or some people possibly?) said that God was involved in every step of our salvation.<BR/>I basically would agree, but there must be some effort on our part, and this is why:<BR/>If God chose us, and quickened us, and perfected us, with no effort on our part, then that means he would also be responsible for damning certain people.<BR/>Example:<BR/>Lets say you're an honest follower of Christ. Let's say I don't really care much for Christ.<BR/>So if you go to heaven and I go to hell, (unless we are responsible and have to make some effort on our own part) then that means God essentially chose to damn me. It was his decision to not quicken me in my sins and save me.<BR/>At least the way I understand it.<BR/>And man I'll tell you. I just can't buy that. =-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-9989706374140374412008-05-09T07:18:00.000-05:002008-05-09T07:18:00.000-05:00I didn't get to read all of these comments, but I ...I didn't get to read all of these comments, but I had the thought that the Allegory of the Bicycle was the best way to describe to other Christians how we believe about grace vs. works.<BR/>It truely embodies after all we can do. It even smacks of becoming like a child. =-). Geniuses!, those General Authorties!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-29958393060992494332007-12-20T05:18:00.000-06:002007-12-20T05:18:00.000-06:00Again I ask, where are your 12 apostles, baptism b...Again I ask, where are your 12 apostles, baptism by the priesthood of Christ given to Peter? It is one thing to have a collection of books called the Bible but this gives no authority to act in G-ds name. This is my whole problem with saved by grace-- after that concept look how much has been left out. You can talk about love of G-d and love of fellow man, but when it comes to G-ds organization, 12 apostles, bishops, priesthood power to baptise or give the gifts of the Holy Spirts to man your response is: it doesn't matter "...The church is comprised of different people within many different Christian denominations...." If you go back and read carefully the New Testiment the church was made into an organization but lost as prophised by Christ.<BR/><BR/>And just for fun:<BR/><BR/>From some Sunday School kids letters to God.<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/>Instead of Letting people and having to Make new ones<BR/> why don't you just keep the ones you got now?<BR/><BR/>Jane<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>I went to this wedding and they kissed right in church is that ok?<BR/><BR/>Neil<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the baby brother but what I prayed for was a puppy.<BR/><BR/>Joyce<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>I bet it is very hard for you to love all of every body in the whole world.<BR/>There are only 4 people in our family and I can never do it.<BR/><BR/>Nan<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>Please put another Holiday between Christman and Easter. There is nothing good in there now.<BR/><BR/>Ginny<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>If you watch in church on Sunday I will show you my new shoes.<BR/><BR/>Mickey D.<BR/><BR/>God,<BR/><BR/>I would like to live 900 years lik the guy in the Bible.<BR/><BR/>Love,<BR/>Chris<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>We read Thos. Edison made light. But in Sunday School they said you did it. So I bet he stoled your idea.<BR/><BR/>Sincerely,<BR/>Donna<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>If you let the dinasor not go exstinct we would not have a country. <BR/>You did the right thing.<BR/><BR/>Jonathan<BR/><BR/>Dear God,<BR/><BR/>May be Cain and Abel would not kill each so much if they had their own rooms. It works with my brother.<BR/><BR/>LarryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-47310116426376870652007-12-20T03:47:00.000-06:002007-12-20T03:47:00.000-06:00Anon,The Christian church was never destroyed beca...Anon,<BR/><BR/>The Christian church was never destroyed becauseit went 'underground' and met secretly to avoid the severe persucutions of the Romans.<BR/><BR/>Why do you think that we have the Bible today.<BR/><BR/>Outside of the Bible, please show to me the Gospel message in it's entirity with all the parables, teachings and ordinances?<BR/><BR/>It is the ONLY BOOK to contain the language from Jesus' mouth. All other books copy from this because there is no other evidence.<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-22083973840221745082007-12-19T23:58:00.000-06:002007-12-19T23:58:00.000-06:00"The church was never meant to be a body found wit..."The church was never meant to be a body found within a man-made institution"<BR/><BR/>Christ orgnized His church with 12 apostles as stated in the New Testiment. Again you give some scriptures more weight than others. Read closer. Study this out and you will find it was distroyed with in a couple 100 years after Christs death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-2647420935737287682007-12-19T23:54:00.000-06:002007-12-19T23:54:00.000-06:00"...Christianity is not about denominations..." It..."...Christianity is not about denominations..." <BR/><BR/>It is about finding the one true church on the earth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-10744334994647901632007-12-19T23:51:00.000-06:002007-12-19T23:51:00.000-06:00"His message and the Gospel account is ONLY found ..."His message and the Gospel account is ONLY found IN THE BIBLE."<BR/><BR/>Book of Mormon, D&C, He shall do nothing less it proceeds for mouth of His prophets. This would be hard for you to follow unless you belived in a moderen prophet. I just say a movie on the life of Christ at it sounded just like people of to day if he is a prophet we must kill him for we have no prophet but Moses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-49542705738958115662007-12-19T23:46:00.000-06:002007-12-19T23:46:00.000-06:00"'blindly' following a leader""Yea! Jeff just cove..."'blindly' following a leader""<BR/><BR/>Yea! Jeff just covered this with his new topic. O' Salt Lake please tell me what to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-37705398371457116832007-12-19T23:44:00.000-06:002007-12-19T23:44:00.000-06:00"The Bible must be the only true authority in one'..."The Bible must be the only true authority in one's search for God, " "Following religious leaders can easily misguide and mis-direct."<BR/><BR/>This is where the bible came from (leaders with authority from G-d)so why is there so much religious confusion? Because the lack a prophet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-89458019325732949692007-12-19T08:26:00.000-06:002007-12-19T08:26:00.000-06:00I echo Teranno here in that: Christianity is not a...I echo Teranno here in that: Christianity is not about denominations per se. The church was never meant to be a body found within a man-made institution. There are many who profess to be, but are actually not. The church is comprised of different people within many different Christian denominations (and there are probably who are born-again who don't even go to any specific 'church')...but these are the people who make up this invisble body of Christ's church.<BR/><BR/>So to re-itterate: the church isn't found within a specific body of beliefs, i.e. Catholicism is NOT THE church, nor is Evangelicalism THE CHURCH, nor LDS, nor Methodism etc.<BR/><BR/>The CHURCH comprises of different people from within many different denominations whose lives have been TRANSFORMED by a head-on collision with who Jesus really is and whose lives have been turned upside-down, inside-out because of their encounter with this God-Man Jesus Christ =D And in their encounter with Him, cannot help but want to continue/persevere with walking to be like Him. You will know them by their fruits =)...the way that they live their lives is just an overflow of their worship, their awe, their wonderment of who Jesus is and what Jesus has done to transform their lives =DNMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17019089593824237385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-49061943213264167382007-12-19T08:13:00.000-06:002007-12-19T08:13:00.000-06:00Dear Anon,Don't catch me wrong. I have a set of be...Dear Anon,<BR/><BR/>Don't catch me wrong. I have a set of beliefs and standards.<BR/><BR/>My beliefs tie in very closely with the denomination that I have my membership with.<BR/><BR/>However the authority by which I live my life is the Word of God and not my denomination as this will not save me. But the effects of the Word of God - can ! It is a very important principal that I maintain.<BR/><BR/>IF, for whatever reason the denomination changes it's principals - it does not mean that automatically I will too. I will remain in the arms of God and His will for my life.<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-8557964031669789672007-12-19T08:09:00.000-06:002007-12-19T08:09:00.000-06:00Dear Anon,It is not about me - I have my beliefs -...Dear Anon,<BR/><BR/>It is not about me - I have my beliefs - they are contained in the Bible.<BR/><BR/>Following religious leaders can easily misguide and mis-direct. The Bible must be the only true authority in one's search for God, so that if you 'truly' LOVE Jesus as you claim to do, then you would clearly find the time to learn more about Him and His saving grace!<BR/><BR/>I saw the irreverent movie 'the life of brian' in my youth, where monty python make a whole comedic issue out of 'blindly' following a leader or a 'new' concept that is institutionalised by men. <BR/><BR/>This is not Christianity, which is what makes the movie ultimately blasphemous in that it fails to take into account that Jesus as our Saviour was and IS the son of God in His leadership. That is what sets Him apart from anyone else who has ever lived. His message and the Gospel account is ONLY found IN THE BIBLE. No other BOOK EVER WRITTEN contains such beautiful eloquent saving TRUTH !<BR/><BR/>A Bible study in person would be a very interesting prospect - I agree with you NM (although I doubt that it could happen)!<BR/><BR/>Also - most Christians do not follow OT law, but that does not mean that they can be ignored. they were written for a reason and application and it would do many people very well if they also could understand them in context for themselves ....<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-52854564987463572462007-12-19T08:01:00.000-06:002007-12-19T08:01:00.000-06:00Trex4x4,It is easy to go after a set religion but ...Trex4x4,<BR/><BR/>It is easy to go after a set religion but it is harder if you don't belong to one set of believes and can make up your own. And this is not to say you are not following the scriptures.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-24219449086177591502007-12-19T07:43:00.000-06:002007-12-19T07:43:00.000-06:00Anonymous,"Don't have time. Just tell me all abou...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/><I>"Don't have time. Just tell me all about it..."</I><BR/><BR/><BR/>HAHAHAHAHA!!! =) That made me giggle... I'd love to meet up with you one day =)NMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17019089593824237385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-86264641715403771932007-12-19T07:39:00.000-06:002007-12-19T07:39:00.000-06:00"You see - you are not the judge, so you can only ..."You see - you are not the judge, so you can only guess."<BR/><BR/>I did not say I was the judge, I am just stating what the scriptures and stating what other religious leaders have to say on the subject. As for me I am the biggest dummy there is. I just go off what the latest expert tells me. Further, I am not sure I understand why it makes any difference if someone knows of Jesus when He returns but has not been baptised. Unless you can't explain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-23493659288630711422007-12-19T07:35:00.000-06:002007-12-19T07:35:00.000-06:00"Read the Bible - it gives the true meanings." Don..."Read the Bible - it gives the true meanings." <BR/><BR/>Don't have time. Just tell me all about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-26691613857694810222007-12-19T07:31:00.000-06:002007-12-19T07:31:00.000-06:00"Wrong, I am a Christian and I also follow many of..."Wrong, I am a Christian and I also follow many of the Jewish laws for reasons of good health and common sense."<BR/><BR/>You might but most of the Christian religion no longer follow most of the Old Testiment law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1580713065010573422007-12-19T07:30:00.000-06:002007-12-19T07:30:00.000-06:00I did not know this was about you, I was just talk...I did not know this was about you, I was just talking in general terms about what the scriptures say. I would not be able to say anything about what you believe because I do not know your religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-25925902499056493272007-12-19T06:01:00.000-06:002007-12-19T06:01:00.000-06:00Anon,"If they are here when He comes to earth they...Anon,<BR/><BR/>"If they are here when He comes to earth they He will instruct them to be baptised. I guess."<BR/><BR/>You see - you are not the judge, so you can only guess. I agree that baptism is an important ordinance, but we are not the ones who make the final choice for salvation or not. That IS the perogative only of Jesus as our judge and heavenly advocate. We must trust in him to make His righteous decisions.<BR/><BR/>Guessing and rigidity do not help. Repentance, baptism, justification, sanctification lead to salvation collectively in a complete process he by-product is that fruits of the Spirit are manifest in 'Agape love'. You see one term can not define the other ....<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-72583766263415194832007-12-19T05:52:00.000-06:002007-12-19T05:52:00.000-06:00"Similarly, when a person is sanctified he or she ..."Similarly, when a person is sanctified he or she is being set apart by God for a specific divine purpose. The very moment we are saved in Christ we are also immediately sanctified and begin the process of being conformed to the image of Christ. <BR/><BR/>Sanctification - Different Than Salvation<BR/>It is important to differentiate between justification and sanctification. Justification is another word for salvation."<BR/><BR/><BR/>Wrong, wrong, wrong ..... I don't know where you researched this but this is completely wrong and does not denote the accurate Biblical definitions of justification, sanctification and salvation.<BR/><BR/>Read the Bible - it gives the true meanings. I can tell you, but you need to find out for yourself the truth. Not another man's incorrect interpretation...(as above).<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-41800660685706535192007-12-19T05:42:00.000-06:002007-12-19T05:42:00.000-06:00Anon,Wrong, I am a Christian and I also follow man...Anon,<BR/><BR/>Wrong, I am a Christian and I also follow many of the Jewish laws for reasons of good health and common sense. The diet and avoidance of pork omongst other foods in particular is one aspect only which I observe. I also drink no stong drink, wine or liqour. One can not generalise Christianity into all believing one doctrine. You see, I am Bible based, not tradition based.<BR/><BR/>When the law was nailed to the cross, it was (in it's original language and context) the ceremonial laws or the levitical laws whichever term you prefer. It was not the 10 Commandment Law that is the Eternal and Royal Law. <BR/><BR/>This is why Jesus came to fulfill the Law, because He WAS the Law. Every one of the 10 Commandments was part of His make-up and human character, so much so that not one of them was broken in any kind of sin. Because he was also born a Jew, He also kept the ceremonial law too and was not guilty under that either. That is why the Sabbath Day still stands as it did when God rested on the seventh day of Creation (Hebrew used for rest - shabat). <BR/><BR/>That is why there are now ordinances to compliment the Christian walk with God after the new covenant has been established by Jesus as a concentration of the old established with the prophets and patriarchs, not replacing them. <BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-29164999431624905022007-12-19T05:32:00.000-06:002007-12-19T05:32:00.000-06:00You are here: Following Jesus >> Sanctification Sa...You are here: Following Jesus >> Sanctification <BR/><BR/>Sanctification - Biblical Meaning<BR/>Sanctification is a biblical doctrine that is emphasized a great deal in Christian teaching. Yet despite its importance, it is often perceived as a religious notion too complex to comprehend. Though sanctification may at first seem to be a foreign concept, it is one of the greatest things that has and is happening to every believer in Jesus Christ. Here we will explore the basic biblical doctrine of sanctification and discuss the key role it plays in a Christian's spiritual growth. <BR/><BR/>Sanctification comes from the verb sanctify. Sanctify originates from the Greek word hagiazo, which means to be "separate" or to be "set apart." In the Bible, sanctification generally relates to a sovereign act of God whereby He "sets apart" a person, place, or thing in order that His purposes may be accomplished. In the book of Exodus, God sanctifies a place of worship. "And there I will meet with the children of Israel, and the tabernacle shall be sanctified by My glory," says Exodus 29:43. Even a day can be sanctified as seen in Genesis 2:3 where the seventh day is "set apart" as a holy day of rest. "Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made." <BR/><BR/>Similarly, when a person is sanctified he or she is being set apart by God for a specific divine purpose. The very moment we are saved in Christ we are also immediately sanctified and begin the process of being conformed to the image of Christ. As God's children we are "set apart" from that moment to carry out His divine purposes unto eternity. Hebrews 10:14 says, "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." Are you set apart for God? <BR/><BR/>Sanctification - Different Than Salvation<BR/>It is important to differentiate between justification and sanctification. Justification is another word for salvation. Jesus gave his life on the cross as a sacrifice for our sins. His blood washes away our sins and frees us from an eternity of suffering and condemnation. Believers are saved because of what Christ has already done. We can do nothing to earn salvation, it is the gift given to every child of God regardless of race, age, maturity, or merit. Sanctification occurs as a result of salvation. At the moment of conversion, the Holy Spirit enters our life. We are no longer held hostage by death, but are free to live the life God desires for us. We are thus sanctified simply because of our standing as lost souls saved by grace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-39879006359426754602007-12-19T05:28:00.001-06:002007-12-19T05:28:00.001-06:00'To continue this discussion or conversation then,...'To continue this discussion or conversation then, I ask you kindly to understand the difference between the Eternal Law / Royal Law / Decalogue or more commonly referred to 10 Commandment Law and the Old covenant law / ceremonial law or commonly referred to Mosaic law.'<BR/><BR/><BR/>I am not sure about the differences in all of these. You might be able to explain and I will read up on them but the one that comes to mind is the not eating of pork. To the Jew this is a law of G-d, I think to some Christians this was not a part of the 10 commandments and not of G-d. Paul (Saul) made it an important with his vision. To only a Jew can say for sure what they believe and should follow, but Christians no longer follow many of the Jewish laws or have replaced other laws or concepts in there place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com