tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post2775258361794075559..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: The Evolution of Language and the Book of MormonJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-57835591839901219612019-01-17T03:28:02.628-06:002019-01-17T03:28:02.628-06:00https://www.hindipoetryzone.xyz/search/label/Funny...https://www.hindipoetryzone.xyz/search/label/Funny%20Poems It<br />https://www.hindipoetryzone.xyz/search/label/Funny%20Poems Was https://www.hindipoetryzone.xyz/search/label/Funny%20Poems The<br />https://www.hindipoetryzone.xyz/search/label/Funny%20Poems Nice<br />https://www.hindipoetryzone.xyz/search/label/Funny%20Poems Post<br />https://www.hindipoetryzone.xyz/search/label/Funny%20Poems ThanksOsama Arshad https://www.blogger.com/profile/14962710723868114760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-46193124560815677242018-12-22T08:10:55.192-06:002018-12-22T08:10:55.192-06:00Bearyb -
The fixation with the book and its orig...Bearyb - <br /><br />The fixation with the book and its origin has always been with the apologist. For example, it was the apologist who started by claiming the book proves anything, and then moving on to stylometry studies, etc. Apologist only exposed the critics for their disingenuous “research” and conclusions. The critics were successfully retorting the apologist bogus claims. So much so, that people like you get frustrated with the critics success and attempt to retort it by falsely accusing the critics of being the ones fixated. It is a deceitful claim to argue that there are “weighty matters to consider, especially if it’s true”, because “proper priesthood authority” is the theological differentiation of the religion. Whether or not the book is a miracle, is irrelevant, after all Pharoah’s priests could turn a staff into a snake also. <br /><br />When apologist lie and say things like the book’s origin is “crucial in understanding and evaluating the claims of the Restoration” it is near complete deceit in order to trick people with smoke and mirrors and pull the wool over their eyes. It is awful and disgusting behavior by people who swore an oath to God not to behave that way. The “restoration” is all about rejecting the other’s Christians priesthood and has little to do with the book or its origin. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-25830005520131842102018-12-17T03:18:23.353-06:002018-12-17T03:18:23.353-06:00Don't be Removed Please<a href="https://hindipoetryzone.blogspot.com/search/label/Funny%20Poems?&max-results=6" rel="nofollow">Don't be</a> Removed PleaseAlihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977259194737899207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-41117272965096186072018-12-17T03:17:33.886-06:002018-12-17T03:17:33.886-06:00Good Job<a href="https://hindipoetryzone.blogspot.com/search/label/Funny%20Poems?&max-results=6" rel="nofollow">Good Job</a>Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977259194737899207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-55335612168832325822018-12-17T03:16:40.448-06:002018-12-17T03:16:40.448-06:00It was the Nice PostIt was the <a href="https://hindipoetryzone.blogspot.com/search/label/Funny%20Poems?&max-results=6" rel="nofollow">Nice Post</a>Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977259194737899207noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-77691396173739884602018-12-10T19:33:50.984-06:002018-12-10T19:33:50.984-06:00"the critics' fixation" -- ah, you ..."the critics' fixation" -- ah, you mean the apologist fixation. But it is good that have critics to bring you simple learning.<br /><br />The Book's is merely another testament of Christ. 3rd Nephi merely clarify's aspects of the gospel that are already in the Bible. So even the LDS admit you don't need to worry about it. But the fact you feel the emotional impulse to dig at others with "they can also convince themselves that they don't need to worry" shows that your religion has only filed you with hate and anger, far from Christ.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-60254185340649146862018-12-10T16:20:20.133-06:002018-12-10T16:20:20.133-06:00Is the story actually changing, or are we simply l...Is the story actually changing, or are we simply learning more about different aspects of it?<br /><br />Besides, it doesn't change the fact of the Book's existence no matter how it was actually translated.<br /><br />Are the specific mechanics of what happened during the translation process all that important? There more weighty matters to consider, especially if it's true. Of course, if a person can convince themselves that there's no way it can be what it claims, they can also convince themselves that they don't need to worry about what it actually says.<br /><br />So, no, I'm afraid I don't understand the critics' fixation on this aspect of the Book's origins.bearybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06489716403013822895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-89927420667732450762018-12-07T17:10:01.676-06:002018-12-07T17:10:01.676-06:00"As I understand it the work of translation w..."As I understand it the work of translation was basically revelation anyway"<br /><br />Congratulations, now you are understanding what the critics have been saying ... How the story changes ... urim and thumin .. to just translating the plates beared eyed .. to same treasure hunting rock in a hat w no plates .. and now, as anon above said .. merely an inspired reading. Now you are getting it bearyb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-37144709066366415382018-12-06T13:58:40.849-06:002018-12-06T13:58:40.849-06:00I, for one, am not bothered by the question of how...I, for one, am not bothered by the question of how often or whether the plates may or may not have been in front of Joseph Smith as he translated. As I understand it the work of translation was basically revelation anyway, and certainly could have been accomplished either way.bearybhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06489716403013822895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-80423797989304651512018-12-06T00:19:32.310-06:002018-12-06T00:19:32.310-06:00Anonymous
If you spoke another language besides E...Anonymous<br /><br />If you spoke another language besides English, then you might be able to comprehend translating from one language to another. <br /><br />This is one reason why the Navajo Code Talkers of WW II were so important. <br /><br />Navajo have no word for "tire", as in automobile tires. In Navajo the tires are called shoes... as in what we wear on our feet. <br /><br />You are being obtuse on purpose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-44851740727051448852018-12-05T07:45:46.007-06:002018-12-05T07:45:46.007-06:00According to those who worked with Joseph Smith, h...According to those who worked with Joseph Smith, he did not "translate" the Book of Mormon. He buried his face in a hat, dictated the text, and rarely looked at the plates, if at all. Sometimes, the plates were not even in the same room where he was working. Our understanding of the word translate in the case of the Book of Mormon needs to be re-defined.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-36479865551063493912018-12-01T01:00:20.383-06:002018-12-01T01:00:20.383-06:00Except it's not a strict translation, per se. ...Except it's not a strict translation, per se. It's an inspired reading, just like the Book of Abraham. Keep an eye out for the church to change it's official stance on this now that it's clear Joseph rarely had plates in front of him during the process. Bank on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-43059311226213928502018-11-30T13:49:31.521-06:002018-11-30T13:49:31.521-06:00Thanks for reminding Anon that the Book of Mormon ...Thanks for reminding Anon that the Book of Mormon is a translation. Not only does it have some words with Greek and Latin origins, and the shocking "Adieu" at the end of Jacob (and also in Webster's dictionary of 1828), it's loaded with words straight from English (!!) which should not have been on the plates. Proof of fraud? Or the natural result of translation? Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-71715761832163804052018-11-29T09:34:23.030-06:002018-11-29T09:34:23.030-06:00Here’s one: the meaning of the word “grace”.
Whe...Here’s one: the meaning of the word “grace”.<br /><br />When I look up the word “grace” in various dictionaries, the meanings of the word are multitudinous. Sometimes a dictionary will include archaic or obsolete definitions, and one of those that comes up occasionally is “ready willingness to help”.<br /><br />This relates strongly to a theological concept that was a part of early separatist (Puritan) theology in the 1600s in England. David Clarkson (1622-1686), a well known separatist minister in England wrote and preached about this concept of God’s grace as a great willingness of the part of God “to do good freely, willing to help in time of need”, going on to discuss the throne of grace and the mercy-seat of God as description of a God full of both grace and mercy, writing “And what is mercy but a willingness to pity and relieve? And what is grace but a willingness to do it freely, a free willingness”. <br /><br />His writings were widely published and studied for the next two centuries, including during Joseph Smith’s lifetime. You can find this subject outlined in volume 3 of his works which was published by a group of Presbyterian scholars in 1865 in Edinburgh.<br />(Works of David Clarkson, volume 3, p. 140-141)<br /><br />In our LDS Bible Dictionary, the focus of the definition of grace is on the “divine means of help or strength given through the bounteous mercy and love of Jesus Christ”, and is portrayed as the means by which we receive divine assistance or as the enabling power we receive.<br /><br />However, by Clarkson’s definition, what that Bible Dictionary is describing as grace is actually the result of grace in a believer’s life, not the definition of grace, which, to him and others is God’s great willingness to extend that powerful help and strength.<br /><br />I think it likely that Joseph Smith would have been very familiar with that Presbyterian definition of grace, as he translated the book, considering his various family members who had been “proselyted to the Presbyterian church” and had joined it.<br /><br />I find that when I read the Book of Mormon with that archaic definition in mind, my understanding of God takes a slight change, and I read the passages of grace reflecting more in the very nature and willingness of God to help, instead of simply the majesty and power of that help which He bestows. It transforms my relationship with Him and my understanding of His approachability.<br /><br />And considering the huge plethora of situations described by writers in the Book of Mormon and their exhortations where good people faced very difficult and often fearful personal or community problems that they plead to God for help with, it seems fitting that this older definition and understanding of grace would be appropriate.<br /><br />Mary Blissnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-84549072919991676142018-11-29T00:27:54.929-06:002018-11-29T00:27:54.929-06:00Y'all think you know everything.Y'all think you know everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-3801946218916453842018-11-28T22:26:38.450-06:002018-11-28T22:26:38.450-06:00D'oh, Glenn beat me to the names being English...D'oh, Glenn beat me to the names being English variants of Greek and Latin!Ramernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-39149741861064013242018-11-28T22:25:00.257-06:002018-11-28T22:25:00.257-06:00"Messiah" comes from Hebrew, actually. &..."Messiah" comes from Hebrew, actually. "Christ" is a variant of a Greek name that means the same thing. These aren't even the original forms of the names, they're the English transliterations. And anyway, what other names would Joseph Smith even have used when talking about Him?<br /><br />Joseph Smith said that there was no Greek or Latin on the golden plates. There probably wasn't any English either, yet the translation we have is chock full of English words, like "prophet" and "engrave," and so many, many, more. In fact, almost the entire volume consists of English words! How can this be? Here's how: because it is a TRANSLATION.Ramernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-79738275987340020972018-11-28T22:17:05.184-06:002018-11-28T22:17:05.184-06:00Anonymous, If you will recall, Joseph said that th...Anonymous, If you will recall, Joseph said that there was no Greek of Latin on the plates. Christ is not a Latin word, but was derived from Latin which in turn was derived from Greek. Messiah also was derived from Latin. But the two words are actually English words. Whatever the words were in the reformed Egyptian of the plates, they were translated as Christ and Messiah.<br /><br />GlennGlenn Thigpenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16289698106336334148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-52003740352659589992018-11-28T20:52:18.614-06:002018-11-28T20:52:18.614-06:00Joseph stated clearly in a letter published in Tim...Joseph stated clearly in a letter published in Times and Seasons volume IV (google it before accusations of being presented "out of context" fly!):<br />"There was no Greek or Latin upon the plates from which I, through the grace of the Lord, translated the Book of Mormon."<br />Okay so how come it's chock full of Greek and Latin words, like Messiah and Christ and so many, many more? How can he make that claim? Here's how! He lied about it! Just like today's mormon leaders lie on a regular basis. It's nothing to them to dismiss a concern with a lie.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com