tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post6009363807271740874..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Uto-Aztecan and Its Connection to Near Eastern Languages, Part 3: The Egyptian Infusion, Plus the Explanatory Power of Stubbs' FrameworkJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-85959505399422444352016-12-23T19:24:06.740-06:002016-12-23T19:24:06.740-06:00Jeff...for the love of Pete, can you please make t...Jeff...for the love of Pete, can you please make these blog posts a little smaller? I can only spend so much time at work reading these before I get pulled into something else. Geesh. Fascinating though. I have always loved languages and how they intertwine with each other sometimes with just bits of words...like the word "eye". Thank you for a little insight. verumestamandeciumnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-89962233404163150672016-12-07T12:33:52.522-06:002016-12-07T12:33:52.522-06:00@Jonathan A. Cavender,
What you said about Peer R...@Jonathan A. Cavender,<br /><br />What you said about Peer Review is exactly right. <br /><br />There are many troubling issues and problems in Academia. It has become even more Totalitarian. <br /> <br /><br />JRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12745174941243069168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-15066429011754065132016-12-06T14:49:15.844-06:002016-12-06T14:49:15.844-06:00Someone needs to ask Brother Stubbs about Algonqui...Someone needs to ask Brother Stubbs about Algonquin languages.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-25311395325153395422016-12-06T13:14:53.928-06:002016-12-06T13:14:53.928-06:00I am simply pointing out that Jeff Lindsay's c...<i>I am simply pointing out that Jeff Lindsay's claim that it is an impressive contribution to the study of language in the Americas is academically premature.</i><br /><br />Well put, Tapir Rider.<br /><br />It seems to me that when we skeptics make a perfectly reasonable request for peer review, we typically get two responses.<br /><br />One is <i>Yes, peer-review is crucial, and we will pursue it. But be patient. Give us time. Maybe tomorrow.</i> But tomorrow never seems to come. It's always a day away.<br /><br />The other is <i>Don't fetishize peer review. Academia is biased against religiously oriented scholars and will never give us a fair hearing.</i> And yet academia and peer review seem to work just fine for many religiously oriented scholars working in the fields of biblical textual studies, archaeology, etc. Many believers have done fine work in these fields and gotten it published. That work has helped us separate the scholarship from the apologetics. It has helped many believers refine and strengthen their own beliefs.<br /><br />True, this refinement typically leads away from literalism and fundamentalism. Let the chips fall where they may. It's not the end of the world to accept the 19th-century origins of the Mormon scriptures. Plenty of Mormons have done just that and are doing just fine.<br /><br />Many believers want to know whether their beliefs are actually true. If there's a conflict between the subjective feelings of their testimony, the enculturated beliefs of their childhood upbringing, and the findings of secular research, they want to know about it so they can make better-informed choices. They don't want to believe what is false, and they are humble enough to think that their own subjective feelings might be wrong.<br /><br />-- OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-69956113882053084442016-12-06T06:24:48.528-06:002016-12-06T06:24:48.528-06:00@Jonathan A. Cavender
My comment isn't regardi...@Jonathan A. Cavender<br />My comment isn't regarding the sacred or spiritual. I am simply pointing out that Dr. Stubbs' work is not an impressive contribution to the study of language in the Americas at this time. For it to be so, it will require it to be published in credible scholarly journals for peer review and will require the concurrence and acceptance by scholars not just in linguistics but in anthropology, archaeology and other disciplines. The ramifications of his theory are huge and carry over into many fields besides his own. I am not saying that Dr. Stubbs is in error nor am I mocking or ridiculing his theory. I am simply pointing out that Jeff Lindsay's claim that it is an impressive contribution to the study of language in the Americas is academically premature.tapir riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07129018103408265269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-4502651226124115572016-12-06T01:04:34.298-06:002016-12-06T01:04:34.298-06:00Also, note that my comment isn't specifically ...Also, note that my comment isn't specifically directed at tapir rider, who at least appears to have read the articles.Jonathan A. Cavenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785951085433731808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-21547437362426672692016-12-06T01:03:09.382-06:002016-12-06T01:03:09.382-06:00It is always interesting to see those who outsourc...It is always interesting to see those who outsource their thinking to others. As much as critics accuse members of holding the position "when the Brethren speak the thinking has been done" it is so often those who fetishize peer review who allow others to think for them. Make peer review a gatekeeper function, and create a culture that refuses to publish material that supports a sacred viewpoint, and you have successfully created a non-falsifiable worldview supportive of atheism. It doesn't make atheism any more true, but it makes many comfortable in their cocoon safely ensconced away from troubling things such as opposing viewpoints.<br /><br />Science is wonderful, and continuing study is a magnificent thing. But an academic environment is as vulnerable to corruption as any other environment. People with Ph.Ds are no more virtuous than anyone else. Listening to them is fine, and learning from them is fine. But allowing them privileged position to determine what you accept as true and what you dismiss as false or irrelevant is madness.<br /><br />Nibley wisely spoke of doctoral robes as "the black robes of a false priesthood."<br /><br />Jonathan A. Cavenderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04785951085433731808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-79286143454477268302016-12-04T10:32:41.729-06:002016-12-04T10:32:41.729-06:00@Zera BP
No, not at all. My understanding is that ...@Zera BP<br />No, not at all. My understanding is that Dr. Stubbs is considering submitting to academic publications and I look forward to that. What I am saying is that it is too soon to consider it an impressive contribution to the study of language in the Americas. If there comes a time when it is accepted by mainstream scholars, then it will be a most significant contribution. In the meantime it does offer hope to some LDS members but I get frustrated because Dr. Stubbs is a very competent and respected scholar and his theories would be considerably better by being validated in the academic world. As they are now, many non-LDS have the opinion that it lies in the realm of pseudo and it is disappointing that the credibility of his theories is lacking in academic publications .tapir riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07129018103408265269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-80253625854052726582016-12-04T08:46:36.555-06:002016-12-04T08:46:36.555-06:00Tapir rider, so what you are trying to say is
&qu...Tapir rider, so what you are trying to say is<br /><br />"I can't counter any of these claims so I will use insinuation as an Ad-Hominem to imply that he only self published to get past peer review."<br /><br />Zerabphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18255917736584985221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-9624830028154144452016-12-03T20:13:33.940-06:002016-12-03T20:13:33.940-06:00"Overall, these two new works are impressive ..."Overall, these two new works are impressive contributions not just to the study of language in the Americas but also to the study of the Book of Mormon."<br /><br />It certainly would be an impressive contribution to the study of language in the Americas if Dr. Stubbs would get his theories published in credible academic journals and have them received and accepted by mainstream scholars.tapir riderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07129018103408265269noreply@blogger.com