tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post6788390408590843200..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: The Height of Absurdity? Revisiting the Impact of Altitude, Oxygen, and Serotonin on Suicide RatesJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-74924337759427853412019-02-21T03:56:52.278-06:002019-02-21T03:56:52.278-06:00Is not about jumping from one relationship to the ...Is not about jumping from one relationship to the other, when you find a true love do everything you can to keep it going because heartbreak can make you lose your mind and unfocused in life. I have experience it and I know how it feels to lose someone you love to somebody else, let me tell you about myself, I got married to a man I love but something happened and we got separated I at first I thought I could coupe but as times goes by, I find out I could not then I realize I needed help to fix my relationship with my husband again that is how I got to know about Dr Ekpen the spell caster who helped me to cast a love spell to get my husband to love me again. In case you are having challenges in your marriage/relationship you can contact Dr Ekpen today to help via: (ekpentemple@gmail.com) or on whatsapp +2347050270218. Jeroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00407059276676088427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-89888950779171299562019-01-27T02:28:00.850-06:002019-01-27T02:28:00.850-06:00https://www.news-medical.net/news/20180627/Suicide...https://www.news-medical.net/news/20180627/Suicide-at-higher-altitudes-unlikely-to-be-caused-by-hypoxia.aspx<br /><br />"Those that claimed a relationship to altitude and suicide also created a narrative that hypoxia was a significant cause." But when Honigman and his colleagues factored in social isolation, rural living, and access to guns into their analysis they arrived at a different conclusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-82167793050030957372019-01-19T01:26:40.913-06:002019-01-19T01:26:40.913-06:00Anon @ 9:06,
Anon at 9:25, there are factors tha...Anon @ 9:06, <br /><br />Anon at 9:25, there are factors that even the most faithful experience in mortality that can bring great sorrow and depression. Many setbacks and disappointments in life, as well as many forms of mental illness, can lead to despair and hopelessness, and in dark moments, good people who were reading and praying faithfully can succumb to suicide. It is a tragedy that affects some who sincerely seek the Savior, and they deserve our compassion and love.<br /><br />There are many very good people who succumb to suicide, and I trust the Lord to be tender and merciful with them on an individual basis. Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-30514560611477315502019-01-18T09:06:39.471-06:002019-01-18T09:06:39.471-06:00"a 30 something female, Mormon, married with ..."a 30 something female, Mormon, married with children, who committed suicide"<br /><br />If she was reading the Book of Mormon regularly, attending church every week, and praying everyday, she would not have committed suicide. If she was unhappy, it is only because she was not living the gospel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-19358878781153952342019-01-12T11:22:02.251-06:002019-01-12T11:22:02.251-06:00Hhhmmmm....a family member tried to commit suicide...Hhhmmmm....a family member tried to commit suicide....not LDS, not homosexual, and not living in high altitude.... unless 4,000 feet altitude is considered high. <br /><br /> Years later another family member tried to commit suicide....not LDS, not homosexual, and not living in high altitude. This family member was adopted when a week old infant. <br /><br />So, what was the trigger? <br />Maybe mental illness and other factors out of their control? <br /><br />There are stories of people who have grown up in hellish conditions, suffered horrible things done to them by others.... and never tried suicide or turned to drugs or crime, never became horrible people. <br /><br /> Yet, others who grew up in the same conditions and suffered horrible abuses have tried suicide and some were successful, some turned to crime and drugs and became horrible people themselves. <br /><br /><br />I also personally know of a 30 something female, Mormon, married with children, who committed suicide. To this day the husband does not know what drove his wife to suicide. She did not leave a note or letter; she did not exhibit any suicidal signs or unhappiness, she never let on she would take her own life.<br /><br />There is more at play than just religion in those Mormons who commit suicide. It's too easy to place blame on something one does not agree with, or place blame on what might seem obvious... but it really is not obvious. <br /><br />It is complicated and the answers are not obvious...nor easy. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-58859492733831867622019-01-10T18:10:58.127-06:002019-01-10T18:10:58.127-06:00It does make me wonder if it would be possible to ...It does make me wonder if it would be possible to treat at-risk population groups in high altitude states (people with depression, bi-polar, and other related disorders that seem to be impacted by altitude) by giving them supplemental oxygen, kind of like what's done with CPAP machines for people with sleep apnea. <br /><br />~JonJon Goffhttp://www.selenianboondocks.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-48266145082640496332019-01-09T20:49:48.211-06:002019-01-09T20:49:48.211-06:00The church most certainly has picked up the rhetor...The church most certainly has picked up the rhetoric on gay members in the last couple decades and hammered it in a way that was merciless and previously unprecedented. <br /><br />The church simply didn't engage with the issue prior to the '91 challenge to Hawaii's marriage discrimination that woke a sleeping giant. That insensitive giant has been wrecking havoc every since. And actually upping the ante despite their public double speak. The fact is, this roughly corresponds to the alarming rise in suicides in gay LDS youth. <br /><br />You can continue to refuse to acknowledge it. The suicides will simply continue as a result. And who will answer for that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-81023713081803815382019-01-09T19:31:07.806-06:002019-01-09T19:31:07.806-06:00Dr Parkinson argues that altitude can't be rel...Dr Parkinson argues that altitude can't be relevant because the altitude hasn't changed. Well, neither have the moral standards of the Church of Jesus Christ. If there are indeed those "who curse the name of the mormon church for leading their children to their untimely deaths," then I have to ask: why the need to find a scapegoat?Kiwi57noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-18134985907491069272019-01-09T15:05:03.324-06:002019-01-09T15:05:03.324-06:00Thanks for the post. My heart goes out to everyon...Thanks for the post. My heart goes out to everyone impacted by suicide. It is always difficult to have a rational, fact-based discussion with those who emotionally engaged and I see that in the comments above, especially from those those who have lost LDS friends and family to suicide. We always want some understanding of what’s caused the disease or horrible outcome, and for some, blaming the church is an easy source to lash out at. That said, I think the church has done a better job in addressing the issue in recent years and the https://mormonandgay.lds.org website as a major first step. <br /><br />My cousin was the first person profiled on that website. He says that his attraction to other boys began when he was little -- a statement that is typical among my friends who are gay. My cousin talked to his dad and church leaders about his feelings and later served a mission, and I was both surprised and pleased when I saw his picture as the lead story on the Mormon and Gay website. I was also a tad saddened, but not surprised, when my cousin left the church to marry his boyfriend. Homosexuality is something I don’t fully understand, but I recognize its impacts on individuals. My hope is that continued revelation and science will help us all getting a better handle on the issue. I suspect that the impacts of oxygen, altitude, genetics, stress and more can all play a role.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977240963874161596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-68578060659706338962019-01-09T09:45:52.631-06:002019-01-09T09:45:52.631-06:00Tracy Hall Jr. Regarding the correlation of high a...Tracy Hall Jr. Regarding the correlation of high altitude and suicide, a simple and relatively inexpensive experimental treatment suggests itself. Provide those with depression and bipolar disorder with oxygen during their sleep. Oxygen is a pretty safe drug to use, and the treatment might not even need FDA approval. Oxygen concentrators are available at prices beginning at about $1,500.Tracy Hall Jrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08718499621475544183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-59070243708217969552019-01-08T09:41:39.692-06:002019-01-08T09:41:39.692-06:00It isn't necessary to believe any statements o...It isn't necessary to believe <i>any</i> statements of the church if your entire community do and subject you to that sort of judgment. I'm sure it doesn't hurt if you have self-loathing baked in from indoctrination that began before you could speak but even that isn't necessary if you don't have a support system that says "you're good", "you're loved", "we believe in you", "you can expect a future of companionship and love". <br /><br />After all isn't that how a church community functions and how it enforces group beliefs and behavior? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-38907505486489662522019-01-08T07:39:41.075-06:002019-01-08T07:39:41.075-06:00Suicide comes from within. Outside influences can ...Suicide comes from within. Outside influences can effect someone’s perception of himself, but ultimately, it’s the individual who is the root cause. The church isn’t encouraging the behavior and is strongly against it—they have long taught that suicide=damnation. Why do we assume that those committing suicide believe the church on one point of doctrine but not on another?<br /><br />Suicide is a horrible tragedy and we want someone/something to blame for an act, that to those closest to it, is inexplicable, and to all, is senseless. It is caused by mental illness or instability, and should be recognized and treated as such. Blaming social influences is like blaming guns for mass executions, they are part of the equation, but not the root cause of the action. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-62044087478586457262019-01-08T00:51:53.462-06:002019-01-08T00:51:53.462-06:00Ask a Utah LDS teen why their friends are committi...Ask a Utah LDS teen why their friends are committing suicide. I know 2 families who are suffering through this with whom my family are close friends. I will tell you why (fully admitting that my anecdotes do not constitute data, as so few mormons understand): the church's policies and alienation of gay people. Both instances. Ostracism. Shame. Guilt. Being taught that they're bound for eternal damnation. <br />Not altitude. No soul on earth ever thought back on their loved one who committed suicide and cursed the altitude. I can testify of at least two beloved families who curse the name of the mormon church for leading their children to their untimely deaths.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-38360325082098042382019-01-06T01:31:42.154-06:002019-01-06T01:31:42.154-06:00No, those who are vulnerable in any state need hel...No, those who are vulnerable in any state need help and kindness. Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-42547544091970422312019-01-05T19:16:51.428-06:002019-01-05T19:16:51.428-06:00Thank you for this careful and well researched pos...Thank you for this careful and well researched post. We need more data, but I'm grateful there are now efforts to try and collect it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-86943190702333514742019-01-05T18:27:35.516-06:002019-01-05T18:27:35.516-06:00We all know that causation is very difficult to pr...We all know that causation is very difficult to prove. So claims that the LDS Church teachings are causing high suicide rates bewilder me. Is there really any data? <br /><br />I doubt that persecution is THE factor in such widespread suicide levels. I do not have numbers at my fingertips but I once examined the suicide rates across the country over time. Which demographic is historically at highest risk? Older white males. Blacks historically have had a lower suicide rate than whites, even (as far as we can tell) before the Civil Rights Movement. <br /><br />Suicide is a serious problem, but I think we should seek data for a historical example of a persecuted population having an extremely high suicide rate. I do not think there is one. Anyone?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-88903859912982509512019-01-05T11:38:20.103-06:002019-01-05T11:38:20.103-06:00Oh! OK. Altitude is a risk factor. So then I su...Oh! OK. Altitude is a risk factor. So then I suppose if your state is mountainous (though who is actually living in those mountains?) it's a good idea to increase the pressure on vulnerable populations and push them over the edge. Then let the church-sanctioned hate speech continue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com