tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post8507925148160629413..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: LDS Idolatry?Jeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger105125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-9188598956731301042019-01-09T20:31:05.447-06:002019-01-09T20:31:05.447-06:00Also, how is it that the supposed person, Moroni, ...Also, how is it that the supposed person, Moroni, a human being, became an angel? This is not supported in the Bible at all that a human being can become an angel. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892577747146014599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-32101109283797102442019-01-09T20:27:38.418-06:002019-01-09T20:27:38.418-06:00I have a question, I have a few clothes Mormon fri...I have a question, I have a few clothes Mormon friends and they have verified this. Has this is nowhere in the Bible and directly contradicts the word of God, why do Mormons believe, as directed by Joseph Smith, that God was once a man on his own planet, Kolob and that he was ascended to godhood? That would mean that God has a Creator himself. Why do Mormons believe that faithful members of the LDS church will become gods or god-like on their own planets? Why do Mormons believe that God has a wife, called the Heavenly Mother? Thank you in advance for explaining this to me.<br /><br />ElijahAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17892577747146014599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-51659230299725959922017-10-22T03:10:24.123-05:002017-10-22T03:10:24.123-05:00The cross is not solid gold. Morani was a person. ...The cross is not solid gold. Morani was a person. If anyone should be on your church it should be Jesus. But the commandment does say no idols. Not to mention all the masonic symbols. It just seems all that gold could be used to help people. You said gold plated and hollow, I would like proof of that thoughlater you say solid gold.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-87358032700094216242016-02-13T13:13:19.439-06:002016-02-13T13:13:19.439-06:00The reason why the lds cult grows is because they ...The reason why the lds cult grows is because they are of the world so the world listens to them whoever is of god will hear the gospel by the way there is so much evedence that Joe smith was a false profit it makes me sick pearl of great price has been proven to be a Egyptian burial document with no relation to abraham,it has been verified that joeseph smith stole the book of mormon from Solomon Spalding aka the unknown scribe lol. And that he had 5 versions of his 1st vision and the angle was nefi 1st and Moroni later. Future more the book of mormon contradict the bible at every turn contridicts itself and all of the other books at the end of the day the mormon faith is just a nice story with no historical facts the only book that you guys have that has history to back it up at every turn is the bible witch every mormon says to believe but denies at every turn. Joseph Smith will take you to hell come to the real Jesus Christ the only one who has the power to save coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103251437120101331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-8695042220847477632016-02-13T12:53:10.337-06:002016-02-13T12:53:10.337-06:001st off mormons aren't christian your temple i...1st off mormons aren't christian your temple is the synagogue of satin and thats why you have a graven image of him on top of it the devil disguises himself as a angle of light and in galatians 1 we are told that he is under the Devine curse of god because he brought a different gospel joeseph smith is a false profit and every person who denies jesus christ is god almighty will burn in hell repent come to the real Jesus Christ and be saved coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02103251437120101331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-62632947810598177862013-01-13T13:12:56.678-06:002013-01-13T13:12:56.678-06:00Another contradiction all around us today which mo...Another contradiction all around us today which most LDS embrace (as prophesied...) is that most LDS politicians and LDS members do not support the most foundational LDS doctrines of agency/liberty which tie directly to Christ's constitution ("Anything more or less than this (His constitution) cometh of evil" D&C 98) yet most all LDS politicians (including Romney and Reid...) want to "force us to do good," want to "save us by forcing goodness," (oh where did that idea originate from, and didn't we all reject that good sounding fraud to get where we are today?). <br /><br />Yet some of that forced goodness isn't goodness they propose to save us with is evil appearing as good. Regardless, even true goodness when forced is evil. Our constitution (actually and literally Christ's constitution) embodies His foundational principle of agency/liberty and not forcing goodness, yet who will read the extensive writings of our forefathers explaining this and explaining their true intent of the constitution, leaving no room for wishy-washy revisionist historian interpretation. <br /><br />The very concepts of liberty/agency embodying our constitution were actually lifted right from the pages of the Bible.Tom Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1252128083357541222013-01-13T12:58:10.777-06:002013-01-13T12:58:10.777-06:00I think one of the top forms of idolatry today is ...I think one of the top forms of idolatry today is in Mormons looking solely to the FDA, AMA and APA (which each require no other Gods or healing be observed before them) for what is approved to "heal" them. <br /><br />NO drug can heal. All doctors admit this. Though foods and the herbs of God referenced in the scriptures over can and do heal, but are ridiculed by most LDS because they are warned of and even forbidden as dangerous and evil by our idolatrous Gods (AMA, FDA, APA - D&C 89:4)Tom Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-34653414322275711312012-04-26T22:49:16.648-05:002012-04-26T22:49:16.648-05:00My apologies for posting to something so old, but ...My apologies for posting to something so old, but it is a new topic for me.<br /><br />If someone accused my church (or a symbol on my church's building) of idolatry, it would make more sense for me to ask for the structure to be removed and changed than to point to someone else's carving with a judgmental finger.<br /><br />If said statue started bleeding one day, might there be people who fall down in worship? Also, how much reverence is needed before it is declared to be worship? Is one required to bow down before something and pray to it for it to be called worship? Or is it being worshiped already if one feels a sense of sadness or loss if that statue goes missing in the night or is damaged greatly?<br /><br />Just some thoughts to ponder.StareClips.comhttp://www.stareclips.com/?ldsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-25389524021656310842007-10-01T04:07:00.000-05:002007-10-01T04:07:00.000-05:00Hi Jeff,That's a great reply, but please do commen...Hi Jeff,<BR/><BR/>That's a great reply, but please do comment also on Voltaire and let us all know your thoughts about him too. <BR/><BR/>Also there are memorial cenotaphs around Europe, some with the names of up to 60,000 Christians who died in Catholic persecution. Add these up and you can get to some horrific numbers alone. These are recorded historically in stone.<BR/><BR/>Are these fiction too ? <BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4<BR/><BR/>--------------------------<BR/><BR/>You wanted facts - I told you where one source could be found - and online - others are available too. Take it or ignore it. Read it or scoff over it. I will not scoff at any chance that millions died as martyrs in an evil religious systematic persecution for only believing in truth. They are potential / real brothers and sisters in Jesus !<BR/><BR/>I asked you before - can you provide proof of 6 million Jews being exterminated by Germans in the second world war holocaust ? Did you personally account for each death ? How accurate or inaccurate could this figure be ? Do some people today not believe that it actually happened some 65 years ago ? Are you one of these perhaps ?<BR/><BR/>Take a close look again - and search the books for yourself. Take a tour in Europe - find out about the Waldensian group of Bible preservers and thank them for their faithfulness to God !<BR/><BR/>I think that historical truth may run deeper than you will give credit for.<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-14811097499414956512007-09-28T07:35:00.000-05:002007-09-28T07:35:00.000-05:00You can see Brownlee's wild claims here - on Googl...You can see Brownlee's wild claims <A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=FCMQAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA348&lpg=PA348&dq=brownless+inquisition+millions&source=web&ots=JYg4sAdkCm&sig=wwWaDuWKEaqhhxHVj7SjXvOCZ3Q" REL="nofollow">here</A> - on Google books.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-3531674918854813612007-09-28T07:34:00.000-05:002007-09-28T07:34:00.000-05:00Someone has repeatedly posted a comment here that ...Someone has repeatedly posted a comment here that I find insulting and inappropriate. That person's repeated bad behavior is motivating me to delete a lot of such comments from him. But there was a point in the comment: the person alleged that there are "references" to support wild claims of vast numbers killed by a particular church, but those references are nothing more than online allegations without credible support. <BR/><BR/>The questionable Website mentions "Brownlee" as the source for 60 million killed, without giving anything more to that reference. I'll fill in the blanks: that undoubtedly refers to <I>Letters in the Roman Catholic Controversy</I> <BR/>by William Craig Brownlee written in 1834 by an American minister with expertise in Greek and theology but not history. He was not a historian and was not providing primary data, but merely repeating or making up wild anti-Catholic claims at a time when it paid to be anti-Catholic. He might as well have said that the Catholics killed everybody on earth six times over. Would have had as much historical rigor as his claims. <BR/><BR/>People, making a wild claim in print or online does not provide a reason to accept such claims. <BR/><BR/>But this whole thread is off topic. This post is about idolatry, not persecutions of the past.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-85236301702481758742007-09-11T23:47:00.000-05:002007-09-11T23:47:00.000-05:00Teranno, thanks for sharing your source for the cl...Teranno, thanks for sharing your source for the claim that a particular church killed millions of people. I hope you will recognize than on such matters, merely making an assertion on a Web page is not a substitute for historically reliable data. <BR/><BR/><I>"The vast majority of the murders of 50-100 million Christians occurred during the Inquisitions and especially during the period after the Reformation movement of 1517.<BR/><BR/>Several religious orders were formed to crush the Reformation by force, lies and by scholarly rebuttal. With their scholarly knowledge and with their legal powers as inquisitors, they went on to exterminate hundreds of millions of Christians."</I><BR/><BR/>So says your source, Teachinghearts.org. Well, where did they get that information? It isn't given. Without a reference to work with, we can ask who wrote it and whether they are in a position to know. It's designed and written by a person who's info is available by a link at the bottom of the home page. That takes you to http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre00dreams.html. And that page begins with this:<BR/><I>I started this website in 2001. Then I started having dreams in January 2003.<BR/>I have never had dreams before. People always said that everyone has dreams and I just did not remember mine. Well, I have never had any dreams that I did not remember.<BR/><BR/>My mind has always been a blank. I attributed it to my sleep disorder.<BR/>I used to think that when I had so much responsibility that it caused my hair to start falling out in clumps that maybe I would finally have a dream out of "the multitude of business". But nothing happened. At one stage I deliberately ate late at night thinking that it should give me nightmares. But nothing happened for 46 years. When I complained to my grandmother that I do not have dreams, she said, "Then you will see visions".<BR/><BR/>Now I am having dreams in vivid color and they are about the Second Coming and natural disasters. . . . </I><BR/>OK, we have a sincere person trying to share her experiences on the Web. Hey, I can relate, and think that's cool. But to support a historical claim of such a shocking magnitude, I think we need something better. A real reference, perhaps?Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-7755717336399942592007-09-11T19:02:00.000-05:002007-09-11T19:02:00.000-05:00Safety in numbers? It is the LDS people that have...Safety in numbers? It is the LDS people that have far less numbers on Earth then non-Mormon Christians. Trust me we are not the norm when it comes to beliefs in some areas. Is this out of the comfort zone? <BR/><BR/>I wonder if it is you that needs to consider the alternate possibilities, such as modern revelation, restored priesthood power; all that goes along with Christ's Church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.bunkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091655088509351675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-13627593151159427462007-09-11T18:54:00.000-05:002007-09-11T18:54:00.000-05:00What if we are right about the Book of Mormon? I ...What if we are right about the Book of Mormon? I can play that game too.bunkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091655088509351675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-81281264615329475482007-09-11T03:36:00.000-05:002007-09-11T03:36:00.000-05:00Dear LD James,Safety in numbers is the Lemming att...Dear LD James,<BR/><BR/>Safety in numbers is the Lemming attitude to life in general. They all tend to jump off cliffs to their deaths. Will you follow this mentality because it is becoming more clear by the comment that there seems to be some kind of brainwashing going on for you to be 'taught' or 'advised' the Truth, not stimulated to discover the Hidden Treasure for yourselves.<BR/><BR/>Look deeper into all my comments again - I do not aim to criticise - I aim to bring you out of your comfort zone and consider alternative possibilities - to which you are clearly opposed in your comments. What if I were to be right in my references back to the Bible- what then?<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-60033501631712178372007-09-10T23:43:00.000-05:002007-09-10T23:43:00.000-05:00Teranno, if I was wrong then I would like to know....Teranno, if I was wrong then I would like to know. Not from someone that consistently attacks my beliefs though. <BR/><BR/>I was asking an opinion from someone more learned in Christ's church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.<BR/><BR/>It was a weather vane and what of it. Is a weather vane Satanic or something to that effect?<BR/><BR/>I really don't appreciate your tone and attacks on the Church. Our discussion was on whether we worship Moroni or not. We say we do not. Leave it at that. Otherwise you are calling us liars; all the while claiming "Biblical Truth" to be on your side. <BR/><BR/>I think the lack of credibility is found on your side of argument, not mine.bunkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091655088509351675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-72635148128883157822007-09-10T15:54:00.000-05:002007-09-10T15:54:00.000-05:00Dear Jeff / Mormanity,You may like to check out th...Dear Jeff / Mormanity,<BR/><BR/>You may like to check out this website :<BR/><BR/>http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre04historynotes.html#martyrs <BR/><BR/>Please click on the sub-topic for 'martyrs' and scroll down. One can find a table for the Dark Ages, where there are historical estimates for the numbers of deaths to support the claim of DS !<BR/>In actual fact the lesser claim of this website has the figure at over 100 million. It also includes where stated that the figure has been extracted. <BR/>Comments please - ? <BR/><BR/>Please note in advance - that I have NO affiliation or connection in operating this website. You wanted figures - I managed to find some...... (as a bonus also includes the 'prayer of Jabez' !) <BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-14247000868982194432007-09-10T14:10:00.000-05:002007-09-10T14:10:00.000-05:00Dear Dave D,Your last comment makes the most sense...Dear Dave D,<BR/><BR/>Your last comment makes the most sense in explaining meaning in symbolism, however that explanation in itself doesn't mean that it will be accepted by God or offer excuse for the figure of a heavenly being carved out of gold. This is the very essence of what all humans were instructed NOT to do. Exodus 20:4,23<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-48100783915315996132007-09-10T14:03:00.000-05:002007-09-10T14:03:00.000-05:00Dear Lars,I gave my life to Jesus and out of obedi...Dear Lars,<BR/>I gave my life to Jesus and out of obedience to Him, I choose to live by the 10 Commandments in my life. What am I doing wrong?<BR/>--------------------------- <BR/>Dear Jeff / Mormanity,<BR/><BR/>It's interesting to read the thread that has appeared here - including your insistance to again defend the Catholics after the FACT that the DARK AGES are a piece of history and that inquisitions were a part of everyday life back then. The 'stake' was a reality - not a fast food joint!<BR/><BR/>DS is NOT assuming a second screen name (I know your train of thought) - and no - I am not he either. But I wondered when someone else in the world would also stand up for what is historical truth. I personally can not back up 60 million as DS claims, but you can be sure that martyrdom escalated to a great number over the centuries that passed.<BR/><BR/>Do you also deny that the holocaust took place in Europe c1939-1945 ? Do you know of anyone who counted the deaths of 6 million Jews ? <BR/>-------------<BR/>Dear LD James.<BR/><BR/>An angel as a weather vane ? I can not believe that you offer me comments on hear-say you have heard since you were young. I offer Biblical Truth and you discuss with childish hear-say ? <BR/><BR/>'Mormon Urban Legend' takes this post beyond the shades of pale. Jeff, these 'LDS believers' comments do not offer your original post any credibility at all. <BR/><BR/>It's almost comedy if it were not to be so true.<BR/><BR/>Yours consistently in Jesus Christ,<BR/><BR/>Teranno4x4Teranno4x4https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907963173025554195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-27286589286087909152007-09-10T01:59:00.000-05:002007-09-10T01:59:00.000-05:00Mormanity: Do you have an opinion of Moroni on mo...Mormanity: <BR/><BR/>Do you have an opinion of Moroni on most of the temples and the direction he faces? I have been told since I was young that he faced East, towards the direction Christ would come from.<BR/><BR/>Am I totally wrong here? He does face different directions (other than East) on a couple of other temples. It only makes sense that he began to placed on temples because of the original Nauvoo temple "Moroni Vane". Was I the victim of "Mormon Urban Legend"?bunkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091655088509351675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-72247490852421426382007-09-08T19:51:00.000-05:002007-09-08T19:51:00.000-05:00Truth, DS? What are you talking about. You said th...Truth, DS? What are you talking about. You said the Catholic Church thinks that those who believe the Bible are worthy of death. That's insane. If you are now revising you statement to say that you mean that hundreds of years ago there were some heretics that were killed, that's a little more plausible. <BR/><BR/>DS, where do you get your history? The Reformation involved killing on both sides. But where on earth do you get the wild claim of 60 million people murdered??? There are some insane fundamentalist books out there claiming that Catholic Church vast numbers of people - often several times greater than the whole population of the countries involved - but they are based on mere bigotry and not historical fact. So where do you get this wild number?<BR/><BR/>Please note: I am asking for a specific piece of reliable documentation on your claim, not for further slander against the Catholics.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-43426375356508392312007-09-08T11:14:00.000-05:002007-09-08T11:14:00.000-05:00Dear Mormanity I'm not surprised that you deleted ...Dear Mormanity <BR/><BR/>I'm not surprised that you deleted my comment. I was half expecting that. For me the main reason why you did that is because I told the truth. To say that the Catholics did not persecute Christians is just a show of ignorance. Have you read protestant history? What was the reformation all about? Are you going to deny the murder of over 60 million Christians who said they would rather believe the Bible than go along with human tradition and fairy tales? If you want to be a good boy and not upset the Catholic institution go ahead, but my God said I should warn people to come out of her, Revelation 18: 4. <BR/>Perhaps you should also read Ephesians 5: 11, which says Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of evil, but instead expose them.<BR/>Your denial of truth and the attempt to cover it up, will not succeed, for Jesus (the truth) will overcome. By the way, I am one person, I'm not pretending to be someone else.<BR/>My question about what Joseph Smith was doing in Freemasonry has still not been answered. I want to deal with facts, not opinions that are being expressed by most commentators.DShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00013543287028882580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-23011496818277392932007-09-07T13:31:00.000-05:002007-09-07T13:31:00.000-05:00Terrano, I think you have validated my point. You...Terrano, I think you have validated my point. Your qualm is that the statue is at the highest point of the temple, but so far it still sounds like your own idea of how to live this law; the scriptures don't actually specify where artwork is or is not allowed. The scriptures do, on the other hand, say that the holiest place of the temple is not any location on the outside (including the highest point of the temple), but in fact on the inside. (Various scriptures, see for instance Exodus 26:34 or 1 Kings 8:6.)<BR/><BR/>Your comments to Darion about angels seem to follow this same pattern. It isn't clear from the scriptures that Jesus and the angels said absolutely nothing to each other, along the lines of "and Jesus spoke not a word to the angel." For whatever reason, it's just not specified exactly what sort of ministering and strengthening took place. The scriptures do, on the other hand, say that legitimate angels may indeed have valid spoken messages, at least for us mortals. (Various scriptures in the Old Testament, see also Matthew 1:20, Matthew 28:5, and pretty much the entire first half of Luke 1.)<BR/><BR/>I think Mormanity has adequately addressed the issue of "new-age symbols" etc. elsewhere in his LDS FAQ.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-77666764229913915022007-09-06T19:40:00.000-05:002007-09-06T19:40:00.000-05:00DS, I just deleted your last comment for the same ...DS, I just deleted your last comment for the same reason I have deleted some other comments in the past. <BR/><BR/>Offensive and absurd anti-Catholic statements, such as the claim that Catholics think those who believe in the Bible "deserve death for reading the Bible," are not welcome here. At least that's what someone with the name "DS" posted. Bad behavior. <BR/><BR/>You wouldn't happen to be using two screen names here, would you? The comments I've had to delete in the past few weeks have a strangely familiar flavor.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-8652724441920159602007-09-06T16:52:00.000-05:002007-09-06T16:52:00.000-05:00True. The whole sun/Son thing seems pretty silly ...True. The whole sun/Son thing seems pretty silly to me too. But the Nauvoo temple, though it did have a weather vane, if I am not mistaken, also included masonic symbols up there? Can anyone confirm/unconfirm that for me?Rob Higginbothamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14002908733806585017noreply@blogger.com