tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post108928486246835979..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Occult Symbols on LDS Temples??Jeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-30237438388453649222021-10-23T11:37:23.926-05:002021-10-23T11:37:23.926-05:00You guys are satanic and on your way to hell. The ...You guys are satanic and on your way to hell. The way you twist words and try to make masonry and witchcraft into something christian is absolutely disgusting and the Lord Jesus Christ will have no mercy on the day of judgement on any of you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14725623266523825634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-45440819660587606622020-09-16T15:36:29.606-05:002020-09-16T15:36:29.606-05:00As one familiar with occult symbols (they are ever...As one familiar with occult symbols (they are everywhere today, hidden in plain sight), I was also troubled by the inverted pentagrams found on the Temple and the seeming connection to Masonry (I knew there were valid explanations but had not found them). A couple things to consider: <br /><br />1) Satan is the Great Counterfeiter. As part of his deception, he copies and perverts what is good and holy. The rainbow was a sacred symbol of a covenant God made with Noah; that He would never flood the earth again. What modern day group has basically hijacked the rainbow? Twenty years from now, if you saw a rainbow on a Temple, it would be a huge mistake to assume that it was put there as a symbol of support for homosexuality. Symbols with righteous meanings can be hijacked and used to represent something completely opposite.<br /><br />2) Because the restored Church of Jesus Christ is a relatively "new" establishment, it is easy to assume that any similarity between the LDS temple ceremony and Masonry is evidence that Joseph Smith just "borrowed" the signs and symbols from the latter. But which actually came first, the chicken or the egg? Temple ceremonies predate Masonry. So, it is much more probable that Satan made sure the sacred signs and symbols of the temple were disseminated through various other entities so that someday, when the gospel was restored, he could claim the very thing that is now in question. Masonry hijacked the symbols from the original temple ceremony. You need to consider the whole equation, not just the 2nd half.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08779075614566937120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-51636866864851601022016-11-17T11:56:33.155-06:002016-11-17T11:56:33.155-06:00Rich Oliver, you apparently have a jack to play bu...Rich Oliver, you apparently have a jack to play but there is an Ace that trumps your hand. Where did the Masons get their symbols? Does it predate ancient Israel? Were they not also stolen from ancient symbols of Gods church? These symbols inherently belong anciently to Gods work. Its not the church that copied the Freemasons, its the Freemasons that copied from history. These symbols were restored in their true form thru Joseph Smith by way of revelation while everyone else uses them in perverted and misguided ways.<br /><br />This argument neither attempts to disassociate the LDS church from Freemasons nor does it associate the church in any way. It doesn't matter anyways if you believe in revelation and that God indeed spoke through his prophet Joseph Smith.Prenten Frazierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10345799971481478702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-54697118194922280482012-09-05T08:49:50.934-05:002012-09-05T08:49:50.934-05:00Don't let an 1819 patent (one that appears to ...Don't let an 1819 patent (one that appears to be missing in available patent date, by the way) on some aspect of a carpenter's square fool you. Just as there are patents being issued this year on wheels and tires, that doesn't mean that the wheel was just invented a few years ago. The reason why the compass and the square symbols appear on the ancient Egyptian Facsimile 2 is that they are ancient tools. Also don't be troubled by the history of the magnetic compass: the symbol related to the Temple is of the geometric compass, a completely different and more ancient device. This is the simple two-legged tool for drawing circles that has been around almost forever.<br /><br />If you can think back to a geometry class that I hope you took in school, you might recall that Euclid anciently spent a great deal of time discussing what one could create using a compass and a straight edge. The compass and the square, not all that far evolved from the straight edge, were known anciently.<br /><br />See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geometry and http://www.masonicworld.com/education/files/artjuly01/thatancientsquare.htm.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-38888801469533894172012-09-04T14:59:39.365-05:002012-09-04T14:59:39.365-05:00Mormanity said...
Masonic symbols such as the com...Mormanity said... <br />Masonic symbols such as the compass and square are extremely ancient. Ancient Egyptian documents such as Facsimile 2 in the Book of Abraham have these symbols.<br /><br />OK, I am an active member but was just thinking about something, so I looked it up. It raises a question for me. <br /><br />First, about the square: <br />1819 was when the carpenters’ square was officially invented and patented, however they were being used by builders as early as 1600 A.D. <br /><br />About the compass: <br />You might think that the compass has long been used by sailors to navigate on the open seas. The truth is, there was no such thing as the compass in ancient times, and even after the compass was invented, it wasn’t used all that much for marine navigation.<br />Sailors in ancient times charted their course by the stars, and did not use a compass. No one knows where or when the first compass was invented. It may have been in China or in the Near East or in Italy.<br />All we know is that the compass was first mentioned in the 12th century, and that it was first used on a European ship in 1345. These early compasses consisted of an iron needle attached to a piece of wood or cork that floated in a bowl of water.<br />It wasn’t until the 19th century that a really dependable compass was invented. <br /><br />The question:<br />Both the compass and the square are symbols placed in the temple garments that according to the temple ceremony were worn by Adam. I understand that we are supposed to believe that the garments were worn by Adam, Jesus, used in the Temple of Solomon, and that the symbolism in them has been passed down for over 6,000 years since Adam and Eve. Those symbols are also clearly used in the temple rituals and are supposedly of ancient origin. If those instruments, the compass and the square, invented by men, were not even known of until much more than a thousand years after Christ died, then how could they have been ancient symbols used by Adam, in Solomon’s Temple, etc? Both of those two instruments are quite recent inventions, certainly not of ancient origin. How can the symbols of those inventions go back to ancient times before the instruments were invented? Something seems illogical hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-38999231304769315452012-04-16T13:02:55.351-05:002012-04-16T13:02:55.351-05:00The link you provided on the Pentagram is actually...The link you provided on the Pentagram is actually quite interesting and helpful. Thanks. You question on the Jupiter talisman is not quite as interesting, but for an answer, please see <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Occultism_and_magic/Jupiter_talisman" rel="nofollow">Joseph Smith/Occultism and magic/Jupiter talisman</a> at FairMormon.org (<a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Occultism_and_magic/Jupiter_talisman" rel="nofollow">http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Occultism_and_magic/Jupiter_talisman</a>). Excerpt:<br /><br /><i>There is only one source of evidence that claims Joseph Smith had the Jupiter Talisman on his person, and that source is Charles Bidamon. Bidamon's statement was made long after the death of Joseph and Emma, relied on memories from his youth, and was undergirded by financial motives.<br /><br />By contrast, contemporary evidence demonstrates that Joseph did not have such a Talisman in his possession at his death. </i><br /><br />As for your concerns about Joseph Smith's lack of skepticism regarding the angel Moroni, He had just seen Christ and the Father, and this was part of the expected further revelations he was to receive. Maybe he should have asked more questions, but do we have any example in all of the scriptures of people facing angels and managing to come up with skeptical questions? Angels play a role many times, but never get quizzed or asked for appropriate ID. I think we should give Joseph a break in this regard. <br /><br />The Bible does not tell us that there will be no further prophets, revelation, or scripture. Au contraire. Rev. 22:18-19 is the same warning we find in Deut. 4:2-4: don't alter the text. But then Moses kept writing, and so did Isaiah and Peter and Paul. The New Testament, in fact, is called NEW for a reason, even though the Jews thought they had all the scripture they needed. But God hasn't finished speaking and nothing bans Him from revealing more and having it recorded as scripture. Nothing.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-31863969474804437112012-04-01T20:03:02.410-05:002012-04-01T20:03:02.410-05:00http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pentagram.h...http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pentagram.html <br />is a good article to read on this subject. While we are being objective, why don't we ask ourselves a few questions? Why did Joseph NOT ask Moroni if he was an angel of God, as Jesus tells us to do in the Bible? Why does Joseph translate the bible,offering his own gospel~ when Jesus tells us in the Bible to NOT accept such things? Why was a Jupiter plate talisman found on Joseph's body at his death(a "magical" charm to bring him power, riches and women), if he was a PROPHET OF GOD?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-17556628447620992632011-10-24T13:49:22.550-05:002011-10-24T13:49:22.550-05:00The models are the Mobile Moving Tabernacle and Je...The models are the Mobile Moving Tabernacle and Jerusalem temple(s). None had the Babylonian occult symbols, until Solomon's pagan wives required it. For that reason it was destroyed. None of these symbols are used in Orthodox Judaism. See history of the Kazars, who took the name "Jewish" to discredit them. Their root is in the occultism of Kabbalah. The Lord ALWAYS commanded every vestige of paganism to be "smashed, cut down, utterly destroyed." They are not innocuous. The 5-points originated in ritual sacrifice of the firstborn Druidic ceremony. The only explanation is the link to the occult.Do your own research and you will find the case against Mormonism is irrefutable. Please answer this question....why so many occult symbols....but patterns from the House of Israel? Posted anonymously because identity was rejected!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-36491734506177306162011-10-24T13:47:10.303-05:002011-10-24T13:47:10.303-05:00The models are the Mobile Moving Tabernacle and Je...The models are the Mobile Moving Tabernacle and Jerusalem temple(s). None had the Babylonian occult symbols, until Solomon's pagan wives required it. For that reason it was destroyed. None of these symbols are used in Orthodox Judaism. See history of the Kazars, who took the name "Jewish" to discredit them. Their root is in the occultism of Kabbalah. The Lord ALWAYS commanded every vestige of paganism to be "smashed, cut down, utterly destroyed." They are not innocuous. The 5-points originated in ritual sacrifice of the firstborn Druidic ceremony. The only explanation is the link to the occult.Do your own research and you will find the case against Mormonism is irrefutable. Please answer this question....why so many occult symbols....but patterns from the House of Israel?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-65498913710447067802011-06-05T02:53:46.405-05:002011-06-05T02:53:46.405-05:00You are really pathetic. Even if I wanted to answ...You are really pathetic. Even if I wanted to answer your questions, you have blocked me from answering on your blog...<br /><br />How does it feel to have the "control"? You must really need that, hey?<br /><br />BTW, I checked out some other sites where other bloggers have torn your arguments to shreds. My intuition and conclusions about you were right on. It's a good feeling. <br /><br />Enjoy your prison of a church and keep paying that tithing to that multi-billion dollar corporation that spends only about 1% on charities, the poor and the needy. Real nice church.<br /><br />Don't think too hard cuz you might actually realize one day that you have been wrong about your religious beliefs all this time and I don't think you could stand it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-86062206331931231192011-06-05T00:14:32.225-05:002011-06-05T00:14:32.225-05:00I read your “rambling” blog about supposedly “ramb...I read your “rambling” blog about supposedly “rambling blogs” that I wrote. (Eight paragraphs—really?) (BYW, your criticisms about my “too many blogs” do not take into account that I have participated on several different pages, not just this one.) I did not appreciate your effort to paint me as some crazy, obsessive, anti-social blogger with nothing else to do. It is sad that you need to resort to such tactics to discredit me. However, it is easier to do that, than to do the actual research and admit when I have made my points and backed up my arguments.<br /><br />The blogs that I accused you of deleting and that I saw posted did not disappear within seconds, or minutes, or hours. They were on your blog for 2 days, at least. Your excuses about spam (e.g., you could have deleted sites that you perceived to be anti-Mormon) and numerous posts expose that you are not taking accountability for not taking the time and effort to act responsibly and maintain your blog. (Seriously, the Blogger was too intelligent for me?)<br /><br />What you call “obsessed”, I call persistent and detail oriented--attributes of a good researcher. After your efforts to try to slither out of arguments that I have pinned down, it is obvious that you do not know how to debate. It really does not take a long time to recognize when someone is acting like a hypocrite and relies on logical fallacy to avoid admitting that your questions have been well answered. Clearly, you do not want healthy debate; you want to perpetuate your beliefs, and no matter how good the answers, choose not to acknowledge those answers, but rather put them down, ignore them, and/or remain in denial. You say, “…your behavior is not what I expect from participants here on my blog.” After reading your posts, that is easy to see. I believe you did not expect to be so challenged with knowledge and good argument, and neither do you seem to be equipped to handle it.<br /><br />After reading your condescending posts that ignored my salient; logical points, after clearly seeing that you would not/could not provide any sources to back-up your assertions; after understanding that no amount of logical argument or information would ever influence your Mormon mind-set, I am finished “casting pearls before swine”. You are right; I do have better things to do.<br /><br />To answer your questions about the pentagram: in short, I have already proved that JS knew occult symbols and that the Bible considered them evil and yet used them anyway. I could do more research and, most likely, find the info you ask for, but you would only dismiss that info and ask me for further proof. That is clearly a waste of my time.<br /><br />Yes, something is “wrong” here…: “The truth is that NOTHING is, or ever could be, a problem for a huge segment of believers of religion. For the "true believer" there can be no such thing as "disconfirming evidence" because his "true belief" was never based on evidence in the first place.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-44238946393255513152011-06-04T18:11:57.219-05:002011-06-04T18:11:57.219-05:00Psachno, I really think you need to do something e...Psachno, I really think you need to do something else besides looking for reasons to call Mormons hypocrites and posting lengthy comments here. There are about 30 posts here that made it through--that's after Blogger intercepted a large number of them earlier and after I deleted some redundant and overly long ramblings. <br /><br />After I told you that this was bad behavior, after I explained that this was not your blog and not your place to dump miles of text, it looks like you came back and did it again, complete with refreshed outrage. I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about my expectations. Really, your behavior is not what I expect from participants here on my blog. <br /><br />You have accused me of great hypocrisy in deleting your rants, but you need to know that Google's Blogger service has an automatic spam detection feature that flags some posts as spam and puts them in a spam folder for my review. <br /><br />AFTER I chided you for unwelcome, long posts, you came back with a slew of further posts. My spam folder for comments now has 21 new posts from you, while there are a bunch that made it through. Whew, Psachno, I think something is wrong here: you're too obsessed, too quick to condemn, and too slow to understand the rules for good citizenship on other people's blogs. I suggest you just drop this and do something else. <br /><br />By the way, some of your posts and attempted posts violate my policy of not linking to anti-Mormon sites and certainly don't abide by my request for civil dialog (not one-way monologues). <br /><br />Given the track record here, I'm not interested in reading through the comments that Blogger has flagged as spam to revive the ones that should have been allowed through. You should know that comments with lots of links are likely to be flagged as spam. Perhaps there is also an intelligent filter that identifies other annoyances. I'm not sure why such a high percentage of your comments look like spam to Blogger, but it's a problem I don't have an interest in resolving. <br /><br />Comments caught by the spam filter show up immediately after you post it, so it looks like it got posted, but if you refresh a few seconds later you can see if it made it through or not. <br /><br />Contrary to what you might think, I don't sit here waiting for your comments to delete them by the fistful. Flooding this blog with more will not make Blogger like you better, as endearing as it may be to others. <br /><br />Back to the topic: pentagrams, like almost every other symbol, have been used by other societies and cultures, including those that were pagan. But the widespread association of the pentagram with explicitly evil, Satanic rituals and practices is a new phenomenon. Websites that simply say otherwise without evidence don't change this, and websites that remind us that pagans used the symbol don't provide evidence to the contrary either. <br /><br />Were there any educated people in the 1840s who expressed concern over the use of pentagrams on European churches or Mormon buildings because they were obviously a Satanic symbol? Any publications from Joseph's day expressing alarm over the Satanic pentagram? Show us what was known and understood in his day if you want us to believe that he was obviously supporting Satanic vices with this symbol.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-65417591824325083492011-06-03T15:50:57.686-05:002011-06-03T15:50:57.686-05:00Francis Barrett, wrote a very influential work The...Francis Barrett, wrote a very influential work The Magus published in 1801 (Book 2, part 2), wherein he described many occult symbols and practices and magic, including Agrippa’s work on occult philosophy published in 1565. Therefore, I assert proof exists that Joseph Smith had access to information on the occult that heavily influenced him both early in life (with his magical treasure hunting, peep stones, Jupiter talisman, and scrolls containing magical symbols), and in later life, in his designs of the Nauvoo and SLC temples. Because he also discovered similar occult symbols in Masonic architecture and ritual, gives us further proof that JS incorporated occult symbols in the creation of temples and temple ceremonies.<br /><br />The Bible describes magic and occult practices as evil. Evil is of Satan; therefore, occult symbols are Satanic (according to the KJV of the Bible). That is sufficient proof to support the claim that JS knowingly used Satanic symbols on the Nauvoo Temple. Those facts are sufficient proof to show that the LDS church knowingly used Satanic symbols, before and after the creation of the Satanists in the 1960’s.Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-63493313641048999302011-05-31T16:03:06.470-05:002011-05-31T16:03:06.470-05:00I sincerely apologize for accusing you of deleting...I sincerely apologize for accusing you of deleting an important section of my post. I see that it was already included in another section. Part of my post was in response to posts I made on another page on your site that you deleted without explanation, and without any note that it was deleted on that page.<br /><br />Please let me attempt to address, more clearly, your post and points in our argument:<br /><br />You accuse me of not giving you “hard evidence” of the pentagram being used as a Satanic symbol, then ask me to provide “any assertion” that it was. Your request seems contradictory. I have admitted that it is difficult to prove the use of the inverted pentagram being used as a symbol of Satan before Joseph’s time; however, I have provided evidence to show that it PROBABLY WAS known to be used for that and occult purposes before 1840. Eliphas Levi and Heinrich Agrippa are not “questionable sources” or “sloppy claims.”<br /><br />The pentagram has been repeatedly proven to have been used as a pagan symbol as well in ancient times. Therefore, I ask why the Mormon church would adopt occult and pagan symbols on their buildings? <br /><br />We have been led to believe that the church did not replicate the compass and square on the top of the Nauvoo Temple because of its association with Masons. Therefore, I also ask why the church would continue to use pentagram (and inverted pentagrams) but NOT the compass and square, considering all those symbols were and are currently associated with Masons? The reasoning for using the pentagram symbols and not the compass and square seems contradictory and inconsistent.<br /><br />Although, I believe what other churches do does not support well our argument here, I will add, for your benefit, that there is no doubt that both crosses/cruciforms and pentagrams are ancient pagan symbols. Why other Christian churches adopted them had to do with the process of converting pagans to Christianity. However, I have not seen any proof that those churches have used the pentagram AFTER its known applications to the occult and Satanism. In contrast, the LDS church HAS continued to use occult and pagan symbols.<br /><br />Therefore, I believe I have shown that the church is inconsistent in avoiding the appearance of evil and does not practice what it preaches. The ball is in your court…Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-55809559289388283542011-05-30T15:03:21.370-05:002011-05-30T15:03:21.370-05:00…tells me that I may have hit a nerve re: the soli...…tells me that I may have hit a nerve re: the solidity of my argument: that the church’s actions are inconsistent and hypocritical in it’s admonitions to its members.<br /><br />You claim to have a blog that is open to both believers and non-believers, alike, as long as they follow the rules. You have demonstrated, however, that you are also inconsistent and hypocritical regarding your own rules.<br /><br />Yes, it is your blog and you can do whatever you want. However, what you do and don’t do speaks volumes. It seems to me you had quite the emotional reaction to have taken such a radical decision as to remove a portion of my argument, denigrate my post, and throw out red herrings.<br /><br />Your censorship is unwarranted and toxic, if you are trying to discuss Mormon issues openly and honestly. Obviously, you are too invested in your beliefs to conduct a rational and objective discussion about them. Therefore, I have lost respect for you and your blog because of your obvious bias, your censorship, and the logical fallacies therein.Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-88615314163986205092011-05-30T15:02:27.551-05:002011-05-30T15:02:27.551-05:00As for the inverted pentagram, you dispel the 2 so...As for the inverted pentagram, you dispel the 2 sources I provided as not “hard” enough proof for you but neglect to state your reasons why you believe this to be so. I challenge you to provide proof that it was not used as an occult symbol! So far, you have not provided any kind of reference or source, much less “hard evidence” to back up your stance. If you want other sources, look up Aleistar Crowley, an admitted Satanist, Manly P. Hall, and Madame Blavatsky. These people have spent years researching symbols and their meanings and have read volumes of material. They all concluded that the upright and inverted pentagram was an occult symbol from ancient times, and that the purpose in inverting any symbol is to give it an evil connotation.<br /><br />To delete the following section…<br />“Conclusion of Part III<br /><br />Hinckley apparently decided not to add the original design of the weathervane because of its associations with the Masons. (See references in my former posts) However, pentagrams are heavily associated with the Masons as well. The compass and square are also ancient symbols used by various organizations over time, which begs the argument, “Why not continue using the compass and square, as well as the pentagram because they are all symbols that are ancient and widely used?” The LDS church’s logic, consistency, and wisdom in this regard are clearly lacking. <br />7:40 PM, May 24, 2011”Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-43017098874282037332011-05-30T15:01:12.816-05:002011-05-30T15:01:12.816-05:00Jeff, I was surprised that you deleted an importan...Jeff, I was surprised that you deleted an important section of my post. Because it did not have profanity or quoted anti-Mormon sites, I thought that it was inappropriate to delete it. Is it the length of the post or the content that you find objectionable? Don’t you think your readers have a longer attention span than 10 minutes? To label my argument “rambling” is insulting and an obvious device used in an attempt to diminish the quality of my posts, which were written succinctly, with a logical flow, and backed up with references. (The problems with correct succession of portions of my posts had to do with glitches on your site, rather than my writing.) If you don’t have the time or patience to read a more comprehensive post in answer to yours, please don’t blame it on me. After all, not much is accomplished in 4,000 characters if you wish to adequately address certain arguments!<br /><br />You seem to have ignored all my points of logic regarding the church’s inconsistency in the use of the upright star, well known to be associated with the occult which is considered by the Mormon church as evil. Where are your references and sources to prove that the upright star was not associated with the occult from ancient times up to the present? (Actually, what other Christian churches did and why doesn’t really affect the argument. For all we know, they also may have had occult influences within those churches.) For me, that is thoroughly beside the point. I was and still am interested in a logical explanation for the continued use of well-known occult symbols on temples that have negative connotations for the public. Clearly, you have not given a satisfactory explanation. I doubt that one exists.Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-77750249194791738522011-05-29T22:15:57.454-05:002011-05-29T22:15:57.454-05:00Psachno, this is not your blog to post unlimited l...Psachno, this is not your blog to post unlimited long excerpts in numerous installments. Unwelcome behavior. <br /><br />Stars as symbols in Greek and other cultures does not equate to Satanic and evil meanings. After all that rambling, the evidence that the Pentagram was a symbol of genuine occult evil becomes a few questionable sources in the 60s and on making sloppy claims. So, without pages of rambling, can you give me hard evidence just someone's assertion--that this symbol had Satanic associations before Joseph's day? And then what do you make of other Christians who have used it as a Christian symbol?Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-69309286885982263312011-05-25T14:10:03.017-05:002011-05-25T14:10:03.017-05:00Trying to post the above excerpts that I couldn...Trying to post the above excerpts that I couldn't get in previously was a wasted effort and confusing. If you look at my post immediately after Jeff's (4:11 pm), you will find the missing section included in a larger part of my posts that will give greater continuity and make more sense.<br /><br />(Sorry about that!)Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-7015909111785166202011-05-24T20:40:19.047-05:002011-05-24T20:40:19.047-05:00In his article entitled, “Inverted Stars on LDS Te...In his article entitled, “Inverted Stars on LDS Temples”, (http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/Stars.pdf), Mormon writer Matthew B. Brown also refers to Eliphas Levi as the one who gave the inverted pentagram an evil connotation. He states: "Though Eliphas Levi is consistently credited with being the first person to associate the inverted five-pointed star with Satan, one commentator makes this important observation:Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-44591027719496108342011-05-24T20:38:56.524-05:002011-05-24T20:38:56.524-05:00Excerpted paragraphs...after discussion of JS and ...Excerpted paragraphs...after discussion of JS and occult symbols.<br /><br />In his article entitled, “Inverted Stars on LDS Temples”, (http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/Stars.pdf), Mormon writer Matthew B. Brown also refers to Eliphas Levi as the one who gave the inverted pentagram an evil connotation. He states: "Though Eliphas Levi is consistently credited with being the first person to associate the inverted five-pointed star with Satan, one commentator makes this important observation:Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-16725398725807777962011-05-24T19:49:27.749-05:002011-05-24T19:49:27.749-05:00Final Conclusion!!!
(These posting attempts have t...Final Conclusion!!!<br />(These posting attempts have truly been an exercise in patience! Trying to read and follow them must be difficult as well.)<br /><br />It is true that the pentagram, upright or inverted, has been used on many edifices, in many organizations, cults, and religions in the past. However, often what was once considered “good” can change with time. The most important point is that both the upright and inverted pentagram is NOW associated with the occult and considered an evil symbol by most Americans and Europeans. Therefore, the persistent use of pentagrams (whether upright or inverted) by the Mormon church makes many people question the church’s logic, wisdom, integrity, and reasoning in using symbols that are well-known to evoke confusion, disdain, shock, disgust, suspicion and fear in the public, thereby defaming the church’s own reputation and hampering their missionary efforts.Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-74978284304407018822011-05-24T19:40:59.188-05:002011-05-24T19:40:59.188-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-83511372128977511752011-05-24T19:38:34.283-05:002011-05-24T19:38:34.283-05:00Part III Con't.
Moreover, your assertion that...Part III Con't.<br /><br />Moreover, your assertion that other Christian churches have not removed their pentagrams on their older buildings or ceased using the cross as symbol is not salient to the argument. Your logic seems to be tripping you up because, once the pentagram’s relationship to Satanism became known, other Christians have ceased to put these symbols on their edifices. (If they have not, I challenge you to provide proof of that.) The Mormons, however, have not ceased to use these symbols.Psachnonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-35893918289098143542011-05-24T19:37:17.225-05:002011-05-24T19:37:17.225-05:00Part III continued
Your minimization of the Satan...Part III continued<br /><br />Your minimization of the Satanists’ symbol does not erase the fact that its impact (for whatever reason) is widely felt. Even a school in NM was trying to rule out the wearing of pentagrams and other occult symbols to school. http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_pent1.htmPsachnonoreply@blogger.com