tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post114432875978316553..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Power and Porn: A Lesson from Homeland SecurityJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144428558300282122006-04-07T11:49:00.000-05:002006-04-07T11:49:00.000-05:00I don't think I've ever heard about a church's int...I don't think I've ever heard about a church's internal audits routinely being made public. <BR/><BR/>Forgive my ignorance on this, but what best practices determine which organizations routinely make their audits public? <BR/><BR/>I would imagine all publicly traded corporations do, and probably some (but not all) government entities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144418150012147342006-04-07T08:55:00.001-05:002006-04-07T08:55:00.001-05:00Buying the mall was a very smart move by the Churc...Buying the mall was a very smart move by the Church. Downtown real-estate is always a good investment in the long run. Sure, there can be downswings that last up one or two decades even. But the church is in it for the long haul.<BR/><BR/>Is that the same place that was recently announced that part of it is going to be turned into student housing?Bookslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077778974473538408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144418139849206392006-04-07T08:55:00.000-05:002006-04-07T08:55:00.000-05:00alexg said:"In fact, the Church is audited against...alexg said:<BR/><BR/>"In fact, the Church is audited against current accounting practices. The main difference is that it does not publish the results."<BR/><BR/>I will resist making a snide comment about audits that are not made public.<BR/><BR/>I argue that the decision to not inform its members of its finances is in itself corrupt, and a breaking of the bond between member and Church administrators.<BR/><BR/>As a former member I understand all the conditioning about tithing and giving to the Lord, but the "Lord" isn't sitting in the offices managing $30 billion in assets. Fallible men and women are, and are surrounded by the corrupting influence of cash willingly given over without question or public accounting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144392663628018582006-04-07T01:51:00.000-05:002006-04-07T01:51:00.000-05:00I support Mike Parker's comment. Remember George P...I support Mike Parker's comment. Remember <A HREF="http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/w/o/wol3/leegp1.htm" REL="nofollow">George P. Lee</A> a former member of the Frist Quorum of the Seventy. <BR/><BR/>I think more in the individual and the potential information that he could have handled. It is scary to have someone like him in a governmental position, yet it is scarier to have it in the Church. Classifying the moral activity of an organisation for the conduct of one individual is a gross mistake. <BR/><BR/>Anon@7:23 PM I believe you are mixing several topics. The Church is not obligated to disclose its financial records. I do not take that as an evidence of fraud or mismanagement practice. In fact, the Church is audited against current accounting practices. The main difference is that it does not publish the results. The decision to buy a shopping mall is a business one that business entities related to the Church can do. It is quite transparent in that aspect. Hosting an Olympic Games? That was Salt Lake City officials, not the Church. Elder Dunn's case was reproachable and when confronted, a disciplinary action was taken. I don't expect that GA's are perfect, because that standard would make several people in the Bible fail as leaders. Yet when there is a serious transgression, I would expect that they are judged and dealt with accordingly.AlexGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09419111994859972886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144376633910598962006-04-06T21:23:00.000-05:002006-04-06T21:23:00.000-05:00"it is truly astonishing just how near-perfect the..."it is truly astonishing just how near-perfect the integrity of most Church leaders is..." - want to buy a shopping mall? Or host an Olympics?...Paging Elder Dunn....anyone seen the latest accounting of tithing revenues?....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144375048322248972006-04-06T20:57:00.000-05:002006-04-06T20:57:00.000-05:00Doctrine & Covenants 121:39 applies to everyone, b...Doctrine & Covenants 121:39 applies to everyone, both in and out of the Church.<BR/><BR/>Considering this basic truth about human nature, it is truly astonishing just how near-perfect the integrity of most Church leaders is, in my experience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144368777848717682006-04-06T19:12:00.000-05:002006-04-06T19:12:00.000-05:00"With political leaders so likely to be corrupt, p..."With political leaders so likely to be corrupt, perverted men"<BR/><BR/>And even if they are a "saint" in their morals, most (with very few exceptions) are nevertheless corrupt and perverted by power!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144348175739088952006-04-06T13:29:00.000-05:002006-04-06T13:29:00.000-05:00Aaron, that's not a very answerable question. Whi...Aaron, that's not a very answerable question. Which government leaders do you have in mind?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144342517221320292006-04-06T11:55:00.000-05:002006-04-06T11:55:00.000-05:00Did you vote for our current government leaders?Did you vote for our current government leaders?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144339609507303622006-04-06T11:06:00.000-05:002006-04-06T11:06:00.000-05:00Be careful with your conclusion of: perverted gove...Be careful with your conclusion of: perverted government worker=corrupt government. (i'm not defended the morality of government- but don't agree with your coorelation). Recently, a Stake President was arrested for doing the same thing. Caught him talking to young girl on internet, and when he went to motel for face-toface visit, he found a group of police and he was arrested and convicted.... doesn't make the church morally corupt, does it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1144335740373859862006-04-06T10:02:00.000-05:002006-04-06T10:02:00.000-05:00I couldn't agree more.I couldn't agree more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com