tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post115958507470929478..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: LDS Views on Adam and Insights from Ancient Christian TextsJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-52573087095059431022015-03-19T16:47:42.143-05:002015-03-19T16:47:42.143-05:00The problems associated with the Adam-God doctrine...The problems associated with the Adam-God doctrine are nearly insurmountable. In the temple, Jesus is clearly subservient to the Father; however, Adam (Michael) is clearly subservient to Christ. If Christ was Adam's offspring, shouldn't Adam be over Christ? I don't have problems with Adam having a Celestial body, but if he were already like God, why would the pre-fallen Adam covet godhood? The fact that Brigham Young was primarily responsible for structuring our temple ordinances makes this even more of a mystery. <br /><br />In the scriptures, that Christ is brought before the Ancient of Days and not the other way around has always fascinated me, but I can see why that might be, even if Adam was not divine. In short, though, we have some authorities who embraced this strange doctrine, and others, like Elder Orson Pratt who counseled the people to “believe it not!“ <br /><br />Either Adam was a god our he was an angel. How could he be both? Gabriel was an angel, or was he, too, divine? It goes far beyond paradox and well into contradiction. <br /><br />As someone who one day hopes to inherit celestial glory, I certainly have no wish our desire to become an Adam for nearly a thousand years. And we know, too, that the Father has many worlds. Is he thus to be an Adam for each one? If God is a continuum, consisting of many gods, this only complicates things. It makes me wish Brigham could be here to answer these questions, because we KNOW he frequently referred to Adam as Michael, and this is what the temple and scriptures teach as well. If Adam came from a lower level of the celestial kingdom, might this be an upgrade? Who knows? Brigham said he wasn't telling the whole truth and that he was holding some things back.<br /><br />I have no idea how he could have untangled this mess, which makes me hope this doctrine came from a bad meal and nothing more. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1161384118870654952006-10-20T17:41:00.000-05:002006-10-20T17:41:00.000-05:00My wife is Armenian, and she has some family membe...My wife is Armenian, and she has some family members living there who have at times considered joining the church, but took issue with some of the doctrine, to include the church's position on Adam, pre-existence, divine progression, etc.<BR/><BR/>I will be forwarding this to my wife, as I will be very interested in their reaction to this "new" apocryphal material that has recently surfaced in their very own country. Armenians are very proud of the fact they were the first nation to adopt Christianity. Maybe the older the doctrine, the better, eh??<BR/><BR/>Anyway, thanks a bunch Mormanity for digging this up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1160529577909126882006-10-10T20:19:00.000-05:002006-10-10T20:19:00.000-05:00Brothers and Sisters, be careful when blogging on ...Brothers and Sisters, be careful when blogging on anything relating to early LDS views of Adam. That, among other things, has gotten me into disciplinary trouble because of the contents of <A HREF="http://mormon-gnostics.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">my blog.</A> I'm sure it varies from ward to ward but it seems to be a very sensitive subject.Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00787092364477664570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1160357264121956032006-10-08T20:27:00.000-05:002006-10-08T20:27:00.000-05:00Rick, Adam was the first person on earth to exerci...Rick, Adam was the first person on earth to exercise faith in Jesus Christ and follow him. That makes broz's terminology perfectly accurate. Adam wasn't a descendant of, or a member of the Kingdom of, Judah, so "jew" would be a less accurate term.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1159646644158127832006-09-30T15:04:00.000-05:002006-09-30T15:04:00.000-05:00Much doctrinal misunderstanding arises from the mi...Much doctrinal misunderstanding arises from the mistaken belief that the patriarchs were as ignorant of christian and spiritual prinicples as they were of quantum mechanics. Christian historians rightly point to the first scriptural foreshadowing of the atonement of Jesus Christ being God's warning the serpent in the Garden of Eden that "I will place emnity between thee and the seed of the woman, ye shall have power to buise His heal but He shall have power to crush thy head."<BR/><BR/>Through Joseph Smith's `Pearl of Great Price,' we know that Adam was the first Christian and received knowlegde of all the principles and ordinances of the gospel necessary for Eternal Life which is now being substanciated by numerous Apocraphal texts.David Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266046963020498076noreply@blogger.com