tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post2322330052082520524..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: The Rod of Iron: Part of Another Intriguing Wordplay in the Book of MormonJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-47476320114286443822017-05-06T18:19:41.035-05:002017-05-06T18:19:41.035-05:00Wow, Everything, trying to hijack another article...Wow, Everything, trying to hijack another article by raising your favorite attacks that have nothing to do with the post here? Really, that's not good behavior. Try to keep on topic.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-52288739118210055232017-05-05T04:12:34.902-05:002017-05-05T04:12:34.902-05:00Would also come through Jesse... wasn't this l...Would also come through Jesse... wasn't this like a stick or staff?Josh Nelson 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/04645660299970748156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-90145163268204613092017-05-05T04:11:10.233-05:002017-05-05T04:11:10.233-05:00He views but does not see. Hears but does not list...He views but does not see. Hears but does not listen. One cannot correct the course of another once convinced of his own.Josh Nelson 2.0https://www.blogger.com/profile/04645660299970748156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-33463387833531935972017-05-04T21:34:09.913-05:002017-05-04T21:34:09.913-05:00"On the contrary, he said we'd all have t..."On the contrary, he said we'd all have to accept it if we wanted to be exalted."<br /><br />Well, he would be 100% wrong<br />Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074265168754077171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-49974091622038742002017-05-04T17:16:30.750-05:002017-05-04T17:16:30.750-05:00Hi EBU,
You crack me up...
"You know what i...Hi EBU,<br /><br />You crack me up...<br /><br />"You know what is a word? Logos, meaning Jesus. Adam is also a word as in the Adam-God theory."<br /><br />Kind of off topic, don't ya think?<br /><br />Steve<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-24066648503745866152017-05-04T15:11:08.375-05:002017-05-04T15:11:08.375-05:00Brigham Young didn't express doubt about Adam-...Brigham Young didn't express doubt about Adam-God. On the contrary, he said we'd all have to accept it if we wanted to be exalted.Everything Before Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-42658855156426617762017-05-04T15:10:12.461-05:002017-05-04T15:10:12.461-05:00Darren:
The "logos" was a Greek philoso...Darren:<br /><br />The "logos" was a Greek philosophical concept. John's reference to Christ as Logos was an attempt to wed Greek thinking with Christian belief. This is what Mormon's believe is one of the root causes of the Great Apostasy...the Hellenization of the Gospel. Yet...here is John Hellenizing the Gospel. <br /><br />I would wonder about prophets of God who say things in public gatherings which even they do not believe. I think that is what one calls "deceiving." <br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /> Everything Before Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-21434551786464702352017-05-04T15:08:49.737-05:002017-05-04T15:08:49.737-05:00Clarifier: Brigham Young expressed his own doubt a...Clarifier: Brigham Young expressed his own doubt as to the truth of his Adam-god theory so while, yes, he did believe it, he never believed it to the point of it becoming official doctrine of the LDS Church; only that the idea would be accepted by church leaders and not preached against. He was definitely wrong as to both of those expectations. Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074265168754077171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-4416482917922621512017-05-04T15:01:44.951-05:002017-05-04T15:01:44.951-05:00"But of course...that is just the Hellenizati..."But of course...that is just the Hellenization of the Gospel. Great Apostasy stuff.... Don't worry about it, because in reality, Jesus is the son (one of many) of an exalted Man-God named Elohim, who proved himself worthy on a planet long before Jesus came along. "<br /><br />Huh???<br /><br />"Or,...if you believe Brigham Young, Jesus is the first begotten spirit son of our Father Adam and our Mother Eve."<br /><br />Nobody believes Brigham young on that one, not even Brigham Young.Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074265168754077171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-60297020198358362412017-05-04T13:58:19.963-05:002017-05-04T13:58:19.963-05:00The word "Word" in the New Testament (Jo...The word "Word" in the New Testament (John 1) is the Greek word Logos. The Logos was a Greek philosophical term. In Greek philosophy, the logos was the principle from which all other principles spring, by which all other principles are sustained, and to which all other principles will return. It is therefore the origin, source, and end of all things. It is the glue which holds the true philosophy together. There is nothing outside of the logos. It is ALL. <br /><br />It is a very powerful concept. And John, who applies this concept to Christ, knows exactly what he is doing when he does so. <br /><br />But of course...that is just the Hellenization of the Gospel. Great Apostasy stuff.... Don't worry about it, because in reality, Jesus is the son (one of many) of an exalted Man-God named Elohim, who proved himself worthy on a planet long before Jesus came along. <br /><br />Or,...if you believe Brigham Young, Jesus is the first begotten spirit son of our Father Adam and our Mother Eve.<br />Everything Before Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-61828771444580012542017-05-04T13:34:14.074-05:002017-05-04T13:34:14.074-05:00"I find the potential wordplay around related..."I find the potential wordplay around related Hebrew and Egyptian words to be highly interesting, difficult to attribute solely to another lucky guess from Joseph, and not the kind of thing one would think up on the fly after being impressed by an aqueduct in Rochester, or even with leisurely study in 1829."<br /><br />Well, I certainly do not look at an aqueduct and then start thinking in ancient Hebrew and Egyptian. Then again, I'm not a smart, train, historian like other people. :)<br /><br />Great article! Always a pleasure to read something pulled from Bowen's writings.<br /><br />Darrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10074265168754077171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-10524533606066748582017-05-04T12:19:11.988-05:002017-05-04T12:19:11.988-05:00Something that I would like to explore but i don&...Something that I would like to explore but i don't have the language facility for is the connection of the usage of "Word" for Christ in John 1 to (per Margret Barker) The usage of "the Word" as divine name in the Old Testament to the idea of "Laying hold on the Word(Christ)" as the mean to salvation Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07636740926033505057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-4474299775190168512017-05-04T05:42:09.869-05:002017-05-04T05:42:09.869-05:00Great article, Jeff. I think Matthew Bowen's w...Great article, Jeff. I think Matthew Bowen's work on Hebrew/Egyptian wordplays is amounting to one of the deepest evidences of the origin of the Book of Mormon. There are some interesting cultural notes (like in the comment above) that have been used to account for certain scattered elements and stories, but it is becoming obvious that whoever was responsible for the original text of the Book of Mormon was well versed in those two languages. There would be room for a discussion if there were only one or two, or even ten or twenty articles like this, but I think the scholarship on this is too far beyond that. There are deliberate wordplays on the name Nephi throughout his two books and throughout Nephite history, Mary in two different chapters, Nahom, Enos, Zarahemla in more than ten places, Benjamin, Zeniff, King Noah, a very extensive one involving Alma, then the place name Mormon from Mosiah 18 onward, Amulon, Zeezrom, an obvious one on Abish spanning two chapters, an even more Hebraically obvious and extensive one on Jershon, Zoram and the Zoramites, Aminadab, Cain, then the name Mormon, Heshlon, and a reemphasis of the meaning of Nephi at the end of the Book. That's just the names, and only as far as we know now. There are dozens more like the ones mentioned in this article that don't involve personal names but are equally interesting, ones that sound out of place in English but take on a rich meaning when people who know Egyptian and/or Hebrew look at them closely. People find these things convincing to varying degrees, but I think that, at the very least, Bowen's scholarship is showing that for every parallel to Joseph's world presented on the anti-Mormon side, there seems to be an equally if not more striking parallel to the ancient world that pops up somewhere else in the text. Tannernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-69852871135841653922017-05-04T00:51:03.086-05:002017-05-04T00:51:03.086-05:00Dowsing (AKA divining) rods! Oliver and Joseph use...Dowsing (AKA divining) rods! Oliver and Joseph used divining rods to look for treasure for paying customers. Oliver's skill at this was even referenced in the D&C for a while. I've always looked at the tree of life story as Joseph's subtle nod to both his dad's prophecies (Joseph Senior told a very similar story of the tree of life for paying customers in search of spiritual good feelings, long before junior's first vision) and as a sly reference to the divining rods he and Oliver were wandering around with. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com