tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post248351107915211525..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Keep Preparing: Food Storage May Become Especially Important Jeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-13020659219554567142020-05-08T07:53:55.292-05:002020-05-08T07:53:55.292-05:00Deep thinking Jeff - Surely you thought of this qu...Deep thinking Jeff - Surely you thought of this question when you were 10 years old and learned of the war of heaven.<br /><br />https://www.quora.com/unanswered/In-LDS-theology-how-will-our-pre-mortal-personality-and-mortal-personality-merge-after-death-in-the-Spirit-World-What-will-be-the-psychological-impact-of-memories-of-two-completely-different-experiences-merging<br /><br />In LDS theology, how will our pre-mortal personality and mortal personality merge after death in the Spirit World? What will be the psychological impact of memories of two completely different experiences merging?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-34680815353027088052020-05-01T18:12:54.940-05:002020-05-01T18:12:54.940-05:00Anon@4:47 - 3 Nephi 13 clarifies Matthew 6 with &q...Anon@4:47 - 3 Nephi 13 clarifies Matthew 6 with "he looked upon the twelve whom he had chosen, and said unto them:"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-2796541715919749302020-05-01T17:13:47.034-05:002020-05-01T17:13:47.034-05:00Of course going to Aesop or "Biblical" a...Of course going to Aesop or "Biblical" are all ways to capitulate there are not "Christian" examples. Christian, not Biblical, was the subject. The subject was LDS clarity of Christian teachings. Like every religion, the religion's canon has little to do with the religion's actually beliefs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-27601656260063032022020-05-01T17:06:10.581-05:002020-05-01T17:06:10.581-05:00LDS clarity requires another rationalization becau...LDS clarity requires another rationalization because the words were repeated to a people who had just ended, not about to start, their catastrophic events and beginning a long period of calm and peace. LDS clarity makes those words a universally new paradigm, just as Christianity made proselytizing a new paradigm, something that previously was not "Biblical".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-39649456201224849452020-04-27T10:50:29.059-05:002020-04-27T10:50:29.059-05:00Anon@8:50, I am sorry that your analysis of this p...Anon@8:50, I am sorry that your analysis of this post and threat tells you that "LDS cultural can be intellectual, but cannot be involve deep thinkers." I'm not exactly sure what you think the problem is -- perhaps my deep reading skills are even worse than my failed deep thinking attempts. Would appreciate some deep guidance for a shallow thinker. Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-29352070733263584752020-04-26T08:50:51.837-05:002020-04-26T08:50:51.837-05:00Also, the instruction was given to a polytheist an...Also, the instruction was given to a polytheist and by following the instruction the polytheist transferred all the nobles wealth to himself, making him nearly all powerful. Nearly, because the polytheist priests's were the only ones allowed to keep their wealth.<br /><br />Of course going to Aesop or "Biblical" are all ways to capitulate there are not "Christian" examples. Christian, not Biblical, was the subject. The subject was LDS clarity of Christian teachings. Like every religion, the religion's canon has little to do with the religion's actually beliefs.<br /><br />Protestants radically transformed Christianity and have struggled to rationalized their reinvention of Christianity. One suggestion is Jesus's words were to a specific people facing a unique social and economic challenges. LDS clarity requires another rationalization because the words were repeated to a people who had just ended, not about to start, their catastrophic events and beginning a long period of calm and peace. LDS clarity makes those words a universally new paradigm, just as Christianity made proselytizing a new paradigm, something that previously was not "Biblical". <br /><br />This thread shows the LDS cultural can be intellectual, but cannot be involve deep thinkers. The contradictions and inconsistencies are just too massive. Jeff is really smart, but he clearly is not a deep thinker. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-50267975230280554202020-04-25T22:01:52.881-05:002020-04-25T22:01:52.881-05:00Of course, Anon 2:24. Probably the most noteworthy...Of course, Anon 2:24. Probably the most noteworthy example is Joseph’s advice to the Pharoah to store grain against a coming famine. But of course Joseph did not believe the world was about to end.<br /><br />— OK<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-41412392975908985252020-04-25T14:24:35.880-05:002020-04-25T14:24:35.880-05:00There's of course biblical precedence for food...There's of course biblical precedence for food storage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-48453574041976609142020-04-25T14:23:35.055-05:002020-04-25T14:23:35.055-05:00Actually, it was Obama who talked and went about p...Actually, it was Obama who talked and went about punishing voters, states, citizens.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-33631756324921222952020-04-24T19:51:16.742-05:002020-04-24T19:51:16.742-05:00I am not sure the line-item veto is a bad idea, bu...I am not sure the line-item veto is a bad idea, but it by no means ideal. Ideal is elected governors behaving like angels, but alas that is not their nature, so we need auxiliary precautions. Liberals usually claim the executive is too powerful, conservatives say the judicial is too powerful. Who says the legislative is too powerful? Constitutionalist?<br /><br />I guarantee a line-item veto will be abused, but such abuse is the lesser evil. Gerrymandering is abused, but a tolerable one. Both sides do it. To make up for historical evils, the federal government has deliberately empowered state Democrats to openly abuse gerrymandering and that is not all bad. When red and blue presidents abuse the line-item veto it will balance out over the longer arc. I have fruitlessly looked for studies on how urban blue and rural red fair in the 43 states with Governors empowered with the line-item veto. States are laboratories of democracy and the supermajority of the labs like it. Maybe there is something there.<br /><br />For over a century and a half, the executive had a form of line-item veto with executive impoundment. Then in 1974, the Supreme Court took that away, probably rightfully. Missing executive impoundment by 1986, both parties began calling for the line-item veto. When Clinton used it, the Supreme Court rightfully declare the legislature cannot give constitutional powers to another branch.<br /><br />But what am I trying to solve with it? Accountability. The 535 members of the two chambers are mostly nameless. Aside from a dozen senators and a half dozen house members, most of us do not know who they are. When 800-page bills get loaded with pork, it is hard to pinpoint who to hold accountable. Plus despite being "US" congresspeople, they only represent their districts and their districts like pork. An executive that refused to line-out pork can't blame the sausage-making process, it is on them.<br /><br />But I would be interested to hear Jeff's auxiliary precautions to less than angelic governors of the governed. Complaining is easy, what is his solution?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-3041711333532403652020-04-24T14:40:59.277-05:002020-04-24T14:40:59.277-05:00Lots of political raging going on here but I'l...Lots of political raging going on here but I'll take the low hanging fruit on this one:<br /><br />"I want to set my sights higher. I want to participate in righteous activities without regard for the short-term reward (without caring whether others are aware of what I have done, for example.) I want to be focused on the eternal value of righteous activities, so that I can experience their full reward."<br /><br />OK, you read too much into that passage. By doing the right thing, you will gain a reward. That much is clearly stated. Giving to the poor to alleviate the suffering that the poor has is the right thing. It also helps to create a sense of empathy for those who are in need. This type of charitable giving is the right way to give. Suffering is alleviated, empathy is learned. Are these not the eternal, righteous activities that get rewarded? If one is doing it for the reward, then no reward is given.<br /><br />Steve<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-11656700636002992952020-04-24T10:35:23.552-05:002020-04-24T10:35:23.552-05:00Constitution Party 7:41 — Are you really so sure a...Constitution Party 7:41 — Are you really so sure a line-item veto is a good idea? It gives an already overly powerful office more power, and seems ripe for abuse (i.e. a vindictive president like Trump using it to punish states he doesn’t like).<br /><br />— OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-67685282330231716162020-04-24T09:08:01.592-05:002020-04-24T09:08:01.592-05:00One of the many problems with Trump — beyond his c...One of the many problems with Trump — beyond his chronic dishonesty — is his lack of clarity. It’s often hard to tell exactly what he’s saying. <br /><br />So I’m not so sure we can say he only meant we “should consider calling a doctor to ask about using Lysol on your lungs.”<br /><br />A lot of his speech seems mainly phatic, devoid of specific meaning and “saying” nothing more than (in this case) “Don’t worry, things will be fine, this is no big deal, I’ve got this, I’m smart and capable.”<br /><br />There’s nothing wrong with phatic speech, of course, but too often when Trump uses it he also (unwittingly?) communicates literal ideas that are dangerous.<br /><br />— OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-76335464721940399872020-04-24T08:27:03.620-05:002020-04-24T08:27:03.620-05:00Whether you like him or not, PLEASE don't foll...Whether you like him or not, PLEASE don't follow his latest advice about using bleach to treat your lungs. OK, he only said to consider calling a doctor to ask about using Lysol on your lungs, but don't even think about such a thing. <br /><br />One of the problems that Wuhan apparently faced was that bleach was sprayed in many locations. But bleach is one of the worst things to expose lungs to, especially for people who may have lungs under attack from a virus or pneumonia. Chemical induced pneumonia is a very real and dangerous thing, and it's possible that excessive use of bleach may have contribute to the many cases of pneumonia that Wuhan and Hubei province suffered. Numbers are still unclear, though. But don't even get close to bleach fumes. Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-4851044829533487572020-04-24T07:41:26.076-05:002020-04-24T07:41:26.076-05:00Constitution Party Jeff - Are you ready to act ins...Constitution Party Jeff - Are you ready to act instead of complain? Are you going to supporting a national movement to give the US president a line item veto, like your governor has? It has been record time since we had a constitutional amendment.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-73796797354751498662020-04-24T01:13:22.771-05:002020-04-24T01:13:22.771-05:00Yet Jeff insists "it's a mix" and ke...Yet Jeff insists "it's a mix" and keeps straining to find a shred of good for some strange reason. The comparison to wicked king Noah is perfect, but I guess Mormons have a difficult time seeing the obvious. Party over religion, especially here in Utah. If this state stays red in November, there's no longer any reason to call these people Christians. Actions > words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-87461152481589595062020-04-23T23:25:32.162-05:002020-04-23T23:25:32.162-05:00The GOP had its chance to vote Trump out of office...The GOP had its chance to vote Trump out of office at the impeachment trial. They could have gone forward with conservative Republican Mike Pence in office, but they were scared of Trump and bent the knee. Now that Trump has been so severely weakened, they’re going to pay the price in November — after tens of thousands of Americans needlessly go to an untimely death. A terrible tale of political greed and cowardice.<br /><br />And stupidity, of course. Even after all the idiotic things that dotard has said, right up to today’s lunatic rambling about disinfectant and sunlight, millions continue to support him.<br /><br />— OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-53996699087238422432020-04-23T22:53:08.625-05:002020-04-23T22:53:08.625-05:00No mix. NO MIX! He's all to blame. This would ...No mix. NO MIX! He's all to blame. This would not have happened with any other GOP candidate in power, let alone any *gasp* DEM in charge. But we'll see that for ourselves, hopefully. He's essentially doomed the GOP party for a generation, especially since this plague is hitting mostly his very own constituents. <br />Today's comments about injecting yourself with disinfectant were the very last straw. Our leaders should be calling for his immediate ouster. <br />I dare anyone to defend him. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-36419273556980960942020-04-23T22:49:27.738-05:002020-04-23T22:49:27.738-05:00I don't have time to do all the blaming you...I don't have time to do all the blaming you'd like me to do, but I absolutely think he has made serious mistakes. While he did shut down traffic from China that his political opponents blasted as "xenophobic", the key step that helped Vietnam and Taiwan stay healthy, I think he missed many opportunities to help us take this seriously and avert the problem. I think he was also terribly naive to trust people using scare tactics relying on highly questionable models. His assumption that he has absolute power terrifies me. His vacillations are also troubling. His choice of people to be on the committee about opening up America stuns me. His handing the Fed several trillion dollars of play money to hand to big companies and to buy stock in them is outrageous (not completely his fault, but he agreed to sign that 800-page monstrosity of mischief that will hurt us more than any previous war in the long term). <br /><br />But if it were me and I had been handed trusted advisors, I'd probably make some of the same mistakes. Except I hope I wouldn't think I had absolute power. But yes, much to blame. But it's not just him, and sometimes he has taken wise steps as well. It's a mix. Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-77433845471400107562020-04-23T12:03:18.457-05:002020-04-23T12:03:18.457-05:00Jeff I'm still waiting for you to lay the blam...Jeff I'm still waiting for you to lay the blame at Trump's feet, where it clearly belongs. Keeping quiet on this fundamentally important issue is akin to staying quiet in the presence of wicked King Noah, to use a scenario you're familiar with. Are you an Abinadi who speaks truth to power or are you going to sit there quietly? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-51186547741538790422020-04-23T10:13:47.930-05:002020-04-23T10:13:47.930-05:00Wow. I just read the Book of Mormon Study Notes en...Wow. I just read the Book of Mormon Study Notes entry linked to by Anon 7:17 above. From my Jewish perspective it seems ... off.<br /><br />Here’s the key passage:<br /><br /><i>I want to set my sights higher. I want to participate in righteous activities without regard for the short-term reward (without caring whether others are aware of what I have done, for example.) I want to be focused on the eternal value of righteous activities, so that I can experience their full reward.</i><br /><br />The “righteous activities” here include charitable giving. When I was growing up, I was taught that the reason one should give to the poor is not to get a reward in exchange (say, the reward of social approval) but to alleviate the suffering of the poor. It’s about empathy: one’s focus should be on the poor.<br /><br />According to the Study Notes, by contrast, the reason one should give to the poor is not to get a small reward now, it’s to get a bigger reward later. It’s transactional either way; the point is to make the transaction more personally profitable!<br /><br />I was taught that charity was not about me; it was about the poor. The Book of Mormon Study Notes say it <i>is</i> about me — about maximizing the return, so to speak, on my charitable investment. Empathy is not mentioned at all, nor is morality. <br /><br />— OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-7249271209781457022020-04-23T07:17:54.605-05:002020-04-23T07:17:54.605-05:00CT -
Now you are calling the words of Jesus nonse...CT -<br /><br />Now you are calling the words of Jesus nonsense. As was pointed out, you always say what Jesus words do not mean, but never explain what they mean. If all you offer is hand waving, the you have proven the criticisms above are spot on. <br /><br />To further OK's education for you, even Paul (whom the LDS insist was not an apostle,but nevertheless is an author of canonized scripture) commanded the single to stay single, because after all the end of the world was coming. If Jerusalem was going to be destroy, but the end of the world was not coming, then the command should have been get married and move to Egypt or somewhere else.<br /><br />I knew a man who wanted to buy a boat, but his Mormon wife would not let him until he had a solid year's food supply. There was always one more Mormon thing the wife demanded he set aside for and he never got his boat. Looking at the barrels of wheat sitting in his garage where his boat should have been for 20 years he chuckled, "When society goes kaput, it is just going to show up with guns and take the wheat anyways." Finally when the man had to move, a small pig farmer did him the favor taking the heavy barrels of wheat out of the property.<br /><br />https://bookofmormonstudynotes.blog/2014/12/05/3-nephi-1319-21-lay-not-up-for-yourselves-treasures-upon-earth/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-8500433757936392742020-04-22T20:51:13.104-05:002020-04-22T20:51:13.104-05:00CT, Jesus’s statements on worrying about the futur...CT, Jesus’s statements on worrying about the future make sense only in their apocalyptic context. Remember, he said he was going to return on clouds of glory, usher in the new heaven and new earth, etc., and he was going to do this “before this generation passes away” — within his followers’ lifetimes.<br /><br />Of course, Jesus didn’t deliver on that promise. The sensible thing is to conclude that he was wrong about who he was and that therefore Christianity is without foundation. Instead Christians have spent a couple of millennia trying to make Jesus’s words mean something other than what they plainly meant.<br /><br />Had he been right, it would have made sense to sell one’s possessions and give the money to the poor, to give no thought to the morrow, and so on. But Jesus was wrong, and Christians found themselves in a world where the promised judgement seemed endlessly deferred. So they rather sensibly started ignoring much of what he said — started accumulating treasure here on earth and giving a great deal of thought to the future — even as they hypocritically maintained they were still living by the words of their lord and savior.<br /><br />— OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-68773603932768613512020-04-22T17:22:20.559-05:002020-04-22T17:22:20.559-05:00So....grocery shopping for more than today is &quo...So....grocery shopping for more than today is "unbiblical"? After all, that is taking thought for the morrow. Nonsense. As are the criticisms above.C Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01178189190498225759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-40364257548156225022020-04-22T13:09:39.507-05:002020-04-22T13:09:39.507-05:00shokupanmanbo - The virgins parable is a temporal ...shokupanmanbo - The virgins parable is a temporal metaphor applied to eternal preparation, not temporal preparation. Jesus was pretty clear about worrying eternal preparation not temporal preparation. Stressing in order to delay the inevitable is not what Jesus taught.<br /><br />The ask is for the LDS to explain what Jesus meant by not worry about tomorrow and to be like the lillies and birds who do not worry about food or clothes for tomorrow. How does Jesus's teachings square with LDS guidance to do the opposite. So far LDS have only avoided addressing and referred to other parables and fables.<br /><br />Usually LDS invent a tortured explanation that Jesus was referring only to missionaries, though the actual text does not support this, Jesus was addressing all Christians, not just missionaries ambassadors.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com