tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post3352579893377135428..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Proposition 8 BacklashJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger115125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-23630417454248483392009-01-28T14:48:00.000-06:002009-01-28T14:48:00.000-06:00If you don't believe me, and insist that it's real...If you don't believe me, and insist that it's really one big marriage between one man and several women, then ask yourself this: When one of his wives was divorced from him--which happened several times--were they all divorced? Of course not. It wasn't one big collective marriage. Each wife had one marriage with one husband. One man, one woman, one marriage. No problem.<BR/><BR/>That made me laugh. True story.simple womanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06702343782336535560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-57888841309896815412008-11-19T01:25:00.000-06:002008-11-19T01:25:00.000-06:00...what do we do if God decides to reinstate polyg...<I>...what do we do if God decides to reinstate polygamy? Ask them to make an exception in the law we created?</I><BR/><BR/>No need. The definition of marriage as a relationship between one man and one woman doesn't conflict in the least with polygamous marriage as the Church used to practice it. For example, each and every one of President Brigham Young's dozens of marriages was a joining of one man--Brigham Young--with one woman. <BR/><BR/>If you don't believe me, and insist that it's really one big marriage between one man and several women, then ask yourself this: When one of his wives was divorced from him--which happened several times--were they all divorced? Of course not. It wasn't one big collective marriage. Each wife had one marriage with one husband. One man, one woman, one marriage. No problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1374138534379356922008-11-18T15:50:00.000-06:002008-11-18T15:50:00.000-06:00They can boycott us, but that doesn't mean they're...They can boycott us, but that doesn't mean they're winning anything. This is a story I picked up just today:<BR/><BR/>Leatherby’s Boycott Melts–The Inside Scoop<BR/><BR/>The inside scoop from the front lines on the Leatherby’s boycott is that Leatherby’s loyal supporters pommeled the opposition. Standing in front of the store holding signs and giving away free ice cream, the dozen or so protesters were perplexed by the stream of constant customers.<BR/><BR/>http://beetlebabee.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/leatherbys-boycott-melts/beetlebabeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01587351134369209698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-27422247846416872632008-11-17T07:15:00.000-06:002008-11-17T07:15:00.000-06:00Sorry. That last comment was directed to MRI. I ...Sorry. That last comment was directed to MRI. I don't know why I thought Anonymous made the comment.tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-5215461859769343722008-11-17T06:48:00.000-06:002008-11-17T06:48:00.000-06:00Anon. @ 5:20,So we should not oppose SSM in the of...Anon. @ 5:20,<BR/><BR/>So we should not oppose SSM in the off-chance that plural marriage is reinstated?<BR/><BR/>First of all, if we follow the brethren, we will be blessed. I don't think this issue is any exception. Secondly, if the Lord reinstates plural marriage, we will either not need the government's approval, or the Lord will provide a way for us. <BR/><BR/>And what if the government didn't allow Mormons to preach or marry? Again, we should accept evil in the off-chance that our rights might be taken away? If our rights to preach or marry were ever taken away, this country, as we know it, would cease to exist. We would be living under tyranny anyway and most people would likely have very few rights either. In any event, the Lord would make a way for us to do and have those things we need for our salvation, either in this or the next life. <BR/><BR/>We should fear God, not man.<BR/><BR/>"Do what is right, let the consequence follow....God will protect you; then do what is right."tatabughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465431241615511545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-63876791091119597532008-11-16T23:23:00.000-06:002008-11-16T23:23:00.000-06:00Anonymous 4:16 PM, November 15, 2008."I, for one, ...Anonymous 4:16 PM, November 15, 2008.<BR/><BR/>"I, for one, will continue to eat there. I voted yes (and I am ashamed of it) because I believed all the lies on the Yes vote advertising."<BR/><BR/>Hm. Both sides spent a lot of money on this campaign and put forth their best arguments before the election. What new information did you get after the election that convinced you that you had believed lies?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-78305968521509688782008-11-16T19:20:00.000-06:002008-11-16T19:20:00.000-06:00I just wanted to throw in my two cents. First off,...I just wanted to throw in my two cents. First off, I am mormon, and second, I am canadian. <BR/><BR/>Up here the gov't went ahead and passed same sex marriage on there own, there was no referendum. So far, things haven't fallen apart, and I feel that government was doing its job. <BR/><BR/>I don't agree with the decision, but I would be really worried if other issues were put to a vote of the people. I know a lot of the YES people say that majority rules, but that only works if you're on the winning side. What if the majority decided that mormons weren't allowed to preach or marry, etc.<BR/><BR/>I also hesitate at how the anti same sex marriage group went to the constitution to solidify their ban, what do we do if God decides to reinstate polygamy? Ask them to make an exception in the law we created?<BR/><BR/>All in all, I feel mixed about trying to legislate or ban away same sex marriage, and one of the results I didn't expect to see was so much hatred towards the church. I hope that we don't bring the foretold opposition on ourselves prematurely if you know what I mean.<BR/><BR/>However. I trust that President Thomas S. Monson is a prophet of God and was acting on His instruction, and ultimately I believe if we follow that guidance, things will turn out for the best.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-85755580880666353032008-11-16T04:07:00.000-06:002008-11-16T04:07:00.000-06:00I have a question. Why was all this money spent t...I have a question. Why was all this money spent to stop gay marriage, while nothing was said on Prop 4 which would allow a 13 year old to get an abortion without parental notification (this passed). We wouldn't have faced this backlash, and it seems to me that this was a much more important issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-69268990771512066902008-11-15T18:16:00.000-06:002008-11-15T18:16:00.000-06:00I was sorry to see what happened at the El Coyote ...I was sorry to see what happened at the El Coyote restaurant owner's daughter was on the list of donorr's. El Coyote is in a gay area, and gays make up about 2/3 of their patrons. The customer's feel betrayed. If I was gay, I am sure I would also. I, for one, will continue to eat there. I voted yes (and I am ashamed of it) because I believed all the lies on the Yes vote advertising. Being that I am from California, I can tell you that most people that to the NO on 8 side will shout it from the rooftops, and don't care who knows because they believe they are fighting bigotry and don't care about the consequences. On the other hand, people that donated to YES on 8 are just trying to hide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-90511597816625211442008-11-15T11:25:00.000-06:002008-11-15T11:25:00.000-06:00Anon @ 1:35 Nov 14,Campaigns are won by money? Wha...Anon @ 1:35 Nov 14,<BR/><BR/>Campaigns are won by money? Whatever happened to Mitt then? He spent more on advertisements than any of his competitors at the time.<BR/><BR/>And no the church did not fund 75% of the yes on 8 campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-66799075044087087252008-11-15T07:48:00.000-06:002008-11-15T07:48:00.000-06:005:15, please tell us how someone's dead father pla...5:15, please tell us how someone's dead father plays into this?<BR/>Also, What does this mean?<BR/>"With all of the comments and signs that like to discuss polygamy" <BR/>Comments like to discuss polygamy? <BR/>Signs like to discuss polygamy? <BR/> No idea what you are talking about.<BR/> Maybe you should look up, joseph smith and polyandry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-24585029457887957112008-11-14T22:48:00.000-06:002008-11-14T22:48:00.000-06:00Anonymous @ 5:15: citation please?Anonymous @ 5:15: citation please?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-57971039546809685422008-11-14T19:56:00.000-06:002008-11-14T19:56:00.000-06:00To those who think that receiving packages of whit...To those who think that receiving packages of white powder sent to temples, the burning and arson of Holy Scriptures at Holy buildings, desecrating Holy Temples and threatening violence (as well as forced resignations and other thuggish behavior) is to be expected, I say, no, it is not expected. The Church took a VERY active role in the Nevada Constitutional amendment for marriage and the mobs did not storm the gates.<BR/><BR/>The bully mob mentality of the pro-homosexual lobby is truly frightening.<BR/>We do need to get ready, but we need to prosecute--for criminal trespass, vandalism, sue civilly for damages to the Temples and sue civilly for defamation.<BR/><BR/>We MUST have a stiff upper lip and simply take pictures of the haters, the anti-Mormon Bigots and stand up for what is right.<BR/><BR/>Be prepared. The radical pro-homosexual lobby that fights every day to get its message to your children and to you in school, on TV, etc. will not back down and will not stop. We need to be just as forceful in our efforts to support good, decent, clean lives.tesconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13485155467793364958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-15191492597255213682008-11-14T19:15:00.000-06:002008-11-14T19:15:00.000-06:00With all of the comments and signs that like to di...With all of the comments and signs that like to discuss polygamy, I am amazed that Obama supporters would be against it--afterall, Barrack's father (Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr.) had three wives at the same time and actually had a fourteen cow woman--his first wife was purchased with 14 cows.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-10645070839765127782008-11-14T15:35:00.000-06:002008-11-14T15:35:00.000-06:00The church funded almost 75% of the yes on 8 campa...The church funded almost 75% of the yes on 8 campaign. Campaigns are won by $$$$$ in America. Anyone that doubts that wasn't paying attention to Hillary Clinton's defeat followed by John McCain's.<BR/><BR/>The church funds it then gets upset that there is a backlash!?! That's absurd. We should be thankful that our Temples and churches aren't burning down in California.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-73678033557878597842008-11-13T15:53:00.000-06:002008-11-13T15:53:00.000-06:00And I feel no hate for heterosexuals. I know sever...And I feel no hate for heterosexuals. I know several. They are all wonderful people. Quirky at times, but really endearing and typically both cool and wise. I really like most of them, honestly. A roommate of mine was heterosexual, our postal delivery person is hetero, two of the guys at work are, a bunch in my hunting club are "het" (they tend to be real good shots, for some reason), and even I think my parents were, but they kept that private.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-68263933337298062642008-11-13T15:13:00.000-06:002008-11-13T15:13:00.000-06:00I did watch the Olbermann rant. Happiness and spr...I did watch the Olbermann rant. Happiness and spreading love means something different to me than it does to him. Sin never was happiness. God's plan is the plan of happiness. I can understand why this is so hard for people who haven't tried living it. There is a reason why homosexual depression and suicide rates are so high. <BR/><BR/>I feel no hate for gays. I have several gay friends. I see them as children of God with other wonderful and righteous qualities that I can learn from, but my gay friends are basically, some pretty unhappy people. To me, it is because of the lifestyle they have chosen to lead. Children of God or not we all curse ourselves when we makes choices that aren't conducive to the spirit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-57847129105357885782008-11-13T01:34:00.000-06:002008-11-13T01:34:00.000-06:00I am an active member of the LDS (Mormon) church, ...I am an active member of the LDS (Mormon) church, and I live in the Bay Area, in a community that has a very visible lesbian, gay, and transgender minority. I have homosexual friends and co-workers - and immediate family members. I also have straight friends and co-workers, black, asian, latino freinds and co-workers... and that's just the way it is. <BR/><BR/>I attend church every Sunday, and I teach 5-6 year olds in sunday school. We talk a lot about Jesus - how he loved everyone, served everyone, and that we should live our lives to be more like him. That is what I teach to the youngest children in our church, and it is what I was taught at church when I was little.<BR/><BR/>I can't speak for every member of my church, but I do not hate homosexuals. I was never taught to hate them at home, at church, or at any other place. I'm sure there ARE people at church who DO hate same-sex couples, but hate is NOT a part of our religion, and those that choose to express hate towards ANY person are very misguided in their devotion to our religion. But you know how it is - there are always a few judgemental haters who assume they know more than God. But that is not EVERY church member. Our religion has morals and beliefs, but acknowledges that everyone should act with their own free-agency, in deciding what to do in life, and leave it to our Father in Heaven to judge. This is a fundamental teaching.<BR/><BR/>That being said, as citizens of the United States, each of us has the right to vote based on our own personal beliefs and feelings. I support any Californian who voted NO on 8, because that is their right, to vote in accordance with their beliefs and feelings... but I also support those who chose to vote YES, because that is also their right.<BR/><BR/>The LDS church is being singled out as the reason Prop 8 passed. Never once did my bishop, or any church leader approach me to give money, let alone make voting Yes a requirement of me. The ONLY thing ever said in church with regards to the election was encouragement for everyone to pray about what they would be voting for, and to vote for what they felt was right. A specific presidential candidate, or prop, was never once mentioned.<BR/><BR/>If church members invidually decided to fund a campaign they agreed with, they have the right to do so. It does not make it a campaign "funded" by the Mormon church - it is funded by individuals who believe in traditional marriage. And most members of the Mormon church, Catholic church, Jewish and Islamic religions believe in traditional marriage. Members of the LDS religion may have contributed more money, but that does not mean that their votes were the deciding factor in determining the outcome.<BR/><BR/>I did vote Yes....but honestly, I do believe same-sex marriage will be legal in our state once again. I truly believe that, and will support it when that time comes, as I am a law-abiding citizen. But I voted Yes because that was my right, to vote in accordance with my beliefs. It was not about denying rights to anyone, or hating ANYONE. It was, for me, about voting for what I felt was right for me.<BR/><BR/>On a final note, when same-sex marriage is legalized, I will not spray paint homes or buildings, shout obscinities at passerbys, harrass or otherwise degrade any LGBT person for acting on their beliefs. I know there are many upset and angry people out there, and believe it or not, I DO understand - I just wish we could agree to disagree - without attacking one another in that way. At least, I hope that's possible.Leenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10371271855719338698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-7417957342859930092008-11-12T16:12:00.000-06:002008-11-12T16:12:00.000-06:00Here's a wonderful quote from Olbermann, since som...Here's a wonderful quote from Olbermann, since some are too afraid to read it, and the implication that they may have made a mistake: <BR/>"You want to sanctify marriage? You want to honor your God and the universal love you believe he represents? Then Spread happiness—this tiny, symbolic, semantical grain of happiness—share it with all those who seek it. Quote me anything from your religious leader or book of choice telling you to stand against this. And then tell me how you can believe both that statement and another statement, another one which reads only "do unto others as you would have them do unto you."<BR/><BR/>Simple as that. <BR/>Would you have the state of California vote on the rights of Mormons to marry? Or for a Mormon man to remarry in the temple for eternity after the death of a wife?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-59400067518304303132008-11-12T00:46:00.000-06:002008-11-12T00:46:00.000-06:00This is an excerpt from The Family:A Proclamation ...This is an excerpt from <I><B>The Family:A Proclamation to the World</B></I> <BR/><BR/>"The family is ordained of God. Marriage between man and woman is essential to His eternal plan. Children are entitled to birth within the bonds of matrimony, and to be reared by a father and a mother who honor marital vows with complete fidelity. <BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. <B>Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets. </B><BR/><BR/><I>We call upon responsible citizens and officers of government everywhere to promote those measures designed to maintain and strengthen the family as the fundamental unit of society. "</I><BR/><BR/>There it is. There is no way a member of the Church could vote against Prop 8 without being in direct opposition to the Lord Himself. If you voted no, there is no time like the present to repent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-23344605601301801392008-11-11T22:54:00.000-06:002008-11-11T22:54:00.000-06:00Btw, Satan's plan was to save everyone regardless ...Btw, Satan's plan was to save everyone regardless of what they did. <I>In other words, to remove consequences from actions.</I> Not to control everyone and force them not to sin.<BR/><BR/>There has never been a time in history that God has not approved of laws to govern societies. That's why we have laws such as don't murder or steal or commit adultery. Of course society now approves of committing adultery, but I guarantee you, God has not changed.<BR/><BR/>Abortion may be legal but participating in an abortion (except where you have consulted with Bishop/Stake President and life of mother is at risk) or encouraging another to have one can get you excommunicated from the Church. So can murder and adultery.<BR/><BR/>We have free agency, but are not free from the consequences!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-66246206274664451062008-11-11T22:40:00.000-06:002008-11-11T22:40:00.000-06:00Free agency indeed. The Prophet speaks for the Lor...Free agency indeed. <BR/><BR/>The Prophet speaks for the Lord and gives us the choice. To obey or disobey. It's pretty clear.<BR/><BR/>If you used your agency to vote no, that's your business. But mocking those who chose to use their agency to vote yes in CLEAR accordance with the Lord's wishes as voiced through His Prophet, isn't the best road to take.<BR/><BR/>Rebel all you want. It's not often the Church takes a decided stand in political issues, but when they do, you can bet the Lord has spoken it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-88917349857502313912008-11-11T17:59:00.000-06:002008-11-11T17:59:00.000-06:00All the LDS in California that voted No on 8 did i...All the LDS in California that voted No on 8 did it out of there own free will and conscience.<BR/>Has nothing to do with Obeying the Lord or Not believing in the Prophet.<BR/>It was free agency, and anyone who suggests that we HAD to vote one way or another is following Satan's plan. The Church did not tell us how to vote. Did it?The Lord did not tell us how to vote. Did He?<BR/>Someone's self righteous suggestion above that they are following the Prophet and Obeying the Lord by voting yes is hogwash.<BR/>We are not told how to vote, or forced to. Satan's plan pure and simple. And statements above like that are why people say we are a brainwashed cult.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-37359702935410293222008-11-11T17:03:00.000-06:002008-11-11T17:03:00.000-06:00It disturbs me that there are some Mormons who see...It disturbs me that there are some Mormons who seem happy that the Church is being criticized (by the far left media i might add)....Why so happy about this? Something is not right about that...<BR/><BR/>Those Mormons who disagree with the Church on this issue need to put their money where their mouth is. Basically we are taught the President of the Church is a prophet and receives revelation from God. How can you believe this if they were "wrong" on this issue? Members whining that the Church was wrong, guess what that means the Church is not infallible and we are false. Leave the Church and find one that is. You cannot have it both ways.<BR/><BR/>Why the disagreement now? The Church has consistently been against gay-marriage...<BR/><BR/>Another thing is that the Church does not exist to win a beauty pageant. The mission of the Church is to bring souls to Christ, to preach faith and repentance to all nations. The mission is to preach love and denounce sin. It has never been a popularity contest. The world has never liked being told it is wicked and perverse. Have you not read the Scriptures??<BR/><BR/>The LDS Church stands up for what it believes, a few angry gays get mad and whine, and you fold like a coward and distance yourself from the Church? Who is the real coward..? Who is the one standing on a weak and soddy foundation?<BR/><BR/>Here is the big question for the Mormons who are against the church? Is gay marriage a sin?<BR/><BR/>If you answer NO then your morality structure has collapsed. Adultery, fornication, and incest is cool and a not sin as well. Who is God to be telling man what to do anyway you know? It's ok not to listen to God.. We know better... what The apostles say are just suggestions...Better yet maybe there is not a God...maybe the church is just a historical tradition that is out-dated...<BR/><BR/>If your answer is yes then the Church and Jesus Christ have the unrelenting call to denounce sin and perversion....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-62345938553826141052008-11-11T16:46:00.000-06:002008-11-11T16:46:00.000-06:00Yes Keith Olbermann has put us to shame(?!), yet n...Yes Keith Olbermann has put us to shame(?!), yet none of you against Prop 8 has dared to answer any of my questions: Where is the hate? What rights have been deprived the homosexual community since Nov 4?<BR/><BR/>My goodness narrator has disappeared altogether. I guess when the truth comes out about his alleged membership in the church and his apostate ideas, he's too busy to respond. Or maybe you're still here just posting anonymously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com