tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post3933747389948748163..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Evidence At Last: The Many Aspects of John Lloyd Stephens' Work That Strengthened Mormons in the 1840sJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-43194957317327509342017-03-06T16:32:06.636-06:002017-03-06T16:32:06.636-06:00In Guatemala they have an entire city buried in wa...In Guatemala they have an entire city buried in water. I honestly have no idea about how long ago the city existed so I don't know if it's proof, but that's something to look up.Slade Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16319303543587586954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-10183322757200432582017-03-03T22:54:52.562-06:002017-03-03T22:54:52.562-06:00Ebu
I will miss your tolerance and love.Ebu <br /><br />I will miss your tolerance and love.Stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14044795478120820317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-75664642536977659072017-03-03T14:34:13.668-06:002017-03-03T14:34:13.668-06:00Many examples of warriors scalping prisoners exist...Many examples of warriors scalping prisoners exist in Mayan frescoes. Factions exist everywhere. Loincloths???Bexrexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01801533569839496276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-44747483203274441612017-03-03T06:01:42.214-06:002017-03-03T06:01:42.214-06:00Curse of dark skinn. A good, rigious person no mat...Curse of dark skinn. A good, rigious person no matter skinn color shines (you ever noticed that). When the person becomes angry his "skinn" (actually the whole person) canges to not shinning which means it darkens. To shine is usually thought to be a light which usually is considered to be "white"... black light dont usually shine it consumes. In other words those who deny the gospel turn off their shime to all consuming darknes=blackness. This has nothing to do with the color of skinn, but it probably was the only way the person writting about it could think of describing it. What else would you call a light that covers you totally than white skinn? I seen this white skinn on many black people, the beautiful shine of it... that has nothing to do with skinn color. Mayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14341275949253772566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-34271316594651010112017-03-02T09:55:55.624-06:002017-03-02T09:55:55.624-06:00The last words from EBU:
Jack, you have a rather ...The last words from EBU:<br /><br />Jack, you have a rather high (and inaccurate) assessment of your powers of discernment. For some reason, you reject my Bible-based message, but accept the counsel of men like this:<br /><br />Harold B. Lee: "This privilege of obtaining a mortal body on this earth is seemingly so priceless that those in the spirit world, even though unfaithful or not valient, were undoubtedly permitted to take mortal bodies although under penalty of racial or physical or nationalistic limitations...." <br /><br />John A. Widtsoe: "… since birth control roots in a species of selfishness, the spiritual life of the user of contraceptives is also weakened. Women seem to become more masculine in thought and action..."<br /><br />Brigham Young: "When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken – He is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do. Every man upon the earth, professing Christians or non-professing, must hear it, and will know it sooner or later!"<br /><br />Joseph Fielding Smith: "It is true that the negro race is barred from holding the Priesthood, and this has always been the case. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught this doctrine, and it was made known to him, although we know of no such statement in any revelation in the Doctrine and Covenants, Book of Mormon, or the Bible."<br /><br /><br />Now...you can go ahead and post quotes by Luther, Calvin, Anselm of Canterbury, St. Augustine, and even the Bishop of the Wyoming Episcopal Diocese and the Priest of my local parish if you want. Put them all up here. Post them in the hundreds! <br /><br />There is a big difference: These men never claimed to be Prophets, Seers, or Revelators. The Mouthpieces of God! I am free to pick and choose, therefore, from their words. <br /><br />You don't really have this freedom, unfortunately. And if you claim that you do, your relationship with your Prophets, Seers, and Revelators is, in any practical sense, exactly the same as my relationship with Luther, Calvin, and my Priest. In other words, your Prophets, Seers, and Revelators are not Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. <br /><br />You either take all of their advice, or you admit that these Prophets are really just false prophets who cannot be consistently relied upon to give sound, divine counsel. <br /><br />I follow Christ. The relationship is unmediated by any mortal man. Your relationship is mediated by mortals. That's a sorry position to be in. You change the verse: There is one God, and one mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus, and one mediator between Christ and man: Thomas S. Monson. <br /><br />You are in a cult.<br /><br />And that goes for all of you.<br /><br />Good-bye. <br />everything before usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-40746095173564141002017-03-02T06:01:13.251-06:002017-03-02T06:01:13.251-06:00Jack - The Lord is no a respecter persons. Jack - The Lord is no a respecter persons. Mormographyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876509006690501141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-62122723273403579002017-03-01T18:01:56.131-06:002017-03-01T18:01:56.131-06:00Mormography,
While I lack knowledge and, therefor...Mormography,<br /><br />While I lack knowledge and, therefore, need further counsel to guide me along, I do know enough to discern, most of the time, when those who claim to be the Lord's servants are not anointed.<br /><br /><br />JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-66994845898878307712017-03-01T16:37:04.016-06:002017-03-01T16:37:04.016-06:00Jack -
The Lord's servant EBU has indeed give...Jack -<br /><br />The Lord's servant EBU has indeed given you "counsel and guidance" to check you along the way.Mormographyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876509006690501141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-56101576981507888502017-03-01T16:05:02.067-06:002017-03-01T16:05:02.067-06:00EBU,
Good luck as you move on to other adventures...EBU,<br /><br />Good luck as you move on to other adventures.<br /><br />As to reading the Bible--The last time I read it Jesus had chosen twelve Apostles. Paul had given counsel to the saints as to why the church was founded on apostles and prophets. IMO, we have not reached the perfect day yet and are, therefore, still in need of inspired oracles to help us navigate the winds of doctrine. I certainly agree that God speaks to us personally. However, it is only through process of time that we become perfect in the knowledge of God. We, therefore, will need the counsel and guidance of the Lord's servants to check us along the way until we have reached to full measure and stature of the Savior.<br /><br /><br />Jack Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-6816754230195448502017-03-01T11:00:41.110-06:002017-03-01T11:00:41.110-06:00Aw shucks...I'm going to miss you guys.Aw shucks...I'm going to miss you guys.everything before usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-58325750852533352072017-03-01T10:34:30.352-06:002017-03-01T10:34:30.352-06:00Ohhh... you were being funny... It can be hard to ...Ohhh... you were being funny... It can be hard to tell when a comment carries the same condescending tone as all your other commentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-35000954000563866662017-03-01T10:15:39.324-06:002017-03-01T10:15:39.324-06:00Oh come on...there was humor there. It made me lau...Oh come on...there was humor there. It made me laugh anyway.everything before usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-14384157636249893252017-03-01T10:04:56.431-06:002017-03-01T10:04:56.431-06:00Lent officially starts today, Ash Wednesday. So, I...Lent officially starts today, Ash Wednesday. So, I am giving myself unto this evening after the Ash Wednesday service. Then, you'll never hear from me again. Ever. I will have finally moved on, like those warrior ghosts in The Return of the King. I will be set free. <br /><br />You'll miss me. You know it. So be careful what you wish for. <br /><br />So, you have until 7 pm tonight. Ask me anything you want for the teacher must soon depart from among you. <br /><br />Everything Before Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-13163376834568906812017-03-01T09:34:55.034-06:002017-03-01T09:34:55.034-06:00I could've sworn lent was longer than 10 hours...I could've sworn lent was longer than 10 hours, but what do I know. Oh well, it was a nice half of a day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-63312080448020032262017-03-01T09:31:21.006-06:002017-03-01T09:31:21.006-06:00As for integrity, Joseph Smith didn't have it,...<i>As for integrity, Joseph Smith didn't have it, so why should I?</i><br /><br />So you still follow him then?Everything Before Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-44158812883767145372017-03-01T09:29:29.171-06:002017-03-01T09:29:29.171-06:00Because you obey "his" commandments as d...<i>Because you obey "his" commandments as delivered through Abraham. For you, it all starts there. You know...with the man who claims to have been commanded by God to offer up his son, Isaac...</i><br /><br />First of all, that is probably just a Semitic tall-tale. Like those we tell about Paul Bunyan. It has something profound to teach us, but we shouldn't read it literally. <br /><br />Secondly, no...I don't follow the commandment as delivered through Abraham. Abraham was counted righteous through his faith before he was given the law. Being a Gentile as I am, I too am counted righteous through faith. I too am of the seed of Abraham through faith. Not through law. The law was given on account of unrighteousness. It was a schoolmaster to bring the Jews to Christ. But now that the Son, born under the law, has come and fulfilled the law, we are no longer in need of a schoolmaster. There is no law that can bring about righteousness. The law works wrath. <br /><br />While I was indeed circumcised as an infant, that had more to do with common medical procedures of the day rather than anything related to a covenant. <br /><br />I try to follow the commandment delivered to me directly from God. In these days, he will put his law into our hearts and write them on our minds. In the old days, God spoke through his prophets, but in these last days, he has spoken through the Son. <br /><br />You should pick up your Bible again maybe. Give it a good read.<br />Everything Before Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-18093252284949609302017-03-01T00:29:26.257-06:002017-03-01T00:29:26.257-06:00How dare you question my integrity? As a Mormon, I...How dare you question my integrity? As a Mormon, I was raised NOT to tell the whole, unvarnished truth. Not in interviews if I wanted the "carrots" being held before me. Not in dealings with the opposite sex. Not in my own personal emotions. I was taught to "fake it till I make it." Well, I never made it, and I never will. I don't want to.<br />As for integrity, Joseph Smith didn't have it, so why should I? He lied to multiple women, lied when he claimed his church believed in obeying and honoring the laws the land, and countless other documented instances. There's no denying he told lies to get his way with women and others under his power. <br /><br />And as for mental freedom: I fully realize I'm not there yet. But I will be someday. "May the bridges I burn light the path for those who come after."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-44936600354384258882017-02-28T20:55:29.628-06:002017-02-28T20:55:29.628-06:00"Ah...but that is where it gets tricky."..."Ah...but that is where it gets tricky."<br /><br />Yes, and it gets even trickier if we adjust the rest of your comment thusly:<br /><br />Because you obey "his" commandments as delivered through Abraham. For you, it all starts there. You know...with the man who claims to have been commanded by God to offer up his son, Isaac...<br /><br /><br />JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-24752370034117221662017-02-28T19:36:09.413-06:002017-02-28T19:36:09.413-06:00Hurry up lent...Hurry up lent...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-44755174257112854442017-02-28T18:33:31.307-06:002017-02-28T18:33:31.307-06:00If we love God we will keep His commandments.
Ah....<i>If we love God we will keep His commandments.</i><br /><br />Ah...but that is where it gets tricky. Because you obey "his" commandments as delivered through Joseph Smith. For you, it all starts there. You know...with the man who claims to have been commanded by God, on threat of death, to take on other wives...<br /><br /> Everything Before Usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-88925247317440817512017-02-28T17:12:41.944-06:002017-02-28T17:12:41.944-06:00Remember, it was Christ who showed us the way--and...Remember, it was Christ who showed us the way--and part of following Him requires that we perform the outward aspects of the gospel, as He did, such as being baptized and partaking of the sacrament and whatnot. Following Him also requires that we be willing to do the difficult, as need be, to bring our lives into conformity with the will of the Father as He did--to take up our own cross, as it were.<br /><br />All faithful LDS are on the road to becoming more loving creatures. But we must remember that we can never be fully motivated by God's love without being willing to do what He asks of us. If we love God we will keep His commandments. And! We will love one another. Those are the two hallmarks of true discipleship according to Jesus.<br /><br /><br />JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-26055522218349569982017-02-28T16:12:26.394-06:002017-02-28T16:12:26.394-06:00Oh Jack...
Our lives are so abundant that the wei...Oh Jack...<br /><br /><i>Our lives are so abundant that the weight of religious conviction is heavier than the weight of temporal suffering. And, so, we feel liberated rather than hopeless at being disconnect from God.</i><br /><br />One doesn't become disconnected from God just because one leaves the LDS Church. You do realize that the vast majority of the world's population is not Mormon. For every single Latter-Day Saint, there are almost 500 people out there who aren't affiliated with the church. I never felt a disconnection from God when I left the church. I felt a real connection for the first time in my life. A real connection. In fact, it was this real connection that actually lead me out of the church.<br /><br />And frankly, you are not aware of what level of temporal comfort I currently enjoy. You are making assumptions, as active faithful Mormons do, about the type of people who leave the church. And you are mistaking Christian liberty for something else called "license." Martin Luther dealt with this accusation. And Paul did, too, actually. Why do you think they both had to deal with this accusation? Because in every generation there will be those who fall prey to the basic human propensity toward what Paul called ethelothreskeia, or "will-worship" as King James's translators rendered it. A modern translation would be "self-imposed worship." Read Colossians 2. <br /><br />It is very easy for otherwise good and righteous people who does not possess Christian liberty to see those who enjoy Christian liberty and simply not understand it. It is human nature not to understand it. <br /><br />Religion is human. Christianity, practiced as a religion, is better than no Christianity at all, but it is not the Christianity that saves. I suspect that at the pearly gates there will be many people who find out that they were already saved, without their dietary laws, without their signs and tokens, without their robes, without their garments. They are lucky. Upset a bit that they wasted their lives following an unnecessary religious code, but lucky that despite their religious code, they still found that personal connection with Christ. <br />There will be others who will approach the gates thinking their religious code will get them through, only to be turned away. <br /><br />everything before usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-70365383264330934852017-02-28T15:57:23.845-06:002017-02-28T15:57:23.845-06:00Hawkeye - You accusing others of difficulties with...Hawkeye - You accusing others of difficulties with integrity is the pot calling the kettle black.Mormographyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00876509006690501141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-89933647251132193112017-02-28T15:13:42.911-06:002017-02-28T15:13:42.911-06:00"And whoso shall declare more or less than th..."And whoso shall declare more or less than this, and establish it for my doctrine, the same cometh of evil."<br /><br />So everything else that Jesus taught in 3rd Nephi came of evil?<br /><br /><br />Jack Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-89006319861124671102017-02-28T15:08:29.761-06:002017-02-28T15:08:29.761-06:00Western elitism at its best. Or lives are so abund...Western elitism at its best. Or lives are so abundant that the weight of religious conviction is heavier than the weight of temporal suffering. And, so, we feel liberated rather than hopeless at being disconnect from God.<br /><br /><br />JackAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com