tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post531805036622722613..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Faith Alone? Paul's Reminder on the Need for CharityJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-8105756257549223842011-09-23T20:18:56.062-05:002011-09-23T20:18:56.062-05:00Fixed that, Bookslinger. Sorry for the slip.Fixed that, Bookslinger. Sorry for the slip.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-58518048958409743992011-09-23T17:02:07.424-05:002011-09-23T17:02:07.424-05:00But wait... You must not cite James. As any good ...But wait... You must not cite James. As any good Baptist can tell you, the opinion of James does not count. Only the teachings of Paul have any validity. The only other possibility is that reading the Bible does not necessarily mean understanding it correctly. I speak as a former Baptist. I joined the Church in high school almost 50 years ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-29548621696306760742011-09-23T14:13:38.670-05:002011-09-23T14:13:38.670-05:00Jeff, just a minor nit to pick, rather than the op...Jeff, just a minor nit to pick, rather than the opening lines of 1st Corinthians, those are the opening lines of 1st Corinthians chapter 13.Bookslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077778974473538408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-28933301249487366142011-09-22T12:57:43.775-05:002011-09-22T12:57:43.775-05:00Hi rameuptom,
I mostly agree with what you said. I...Hi rameuptom,<br />I mostly agree with what you said. It is a problem of defining terms but more then just the 2 you mentioned. Especially when many Christians consider what we call exaltation to be salvation. So that, to me, is where I differ a little here. Many Christians view any work we could do as earning salvation and not needed. These are the faith alone that Jeff is referring to. A better understanding of the gospel brings us to what you described and that is where I would definitely agree that the understanding is not incorrect but incomplete.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1030398712765605502011-09-22T11:05:14.064-05:002011-09-22T11:05:14.064-05:00Jeff,
It is an issue of defining the terms involve...Jeff,<br />It is an issue of defining the terms involved: faith and saved.<br /><br />From an LDS perspective, there are a variety of meanings for the word, "saved."<br /><br />1. Saved from physical death. This is brought forth via the Lord's resurrection. It is a free gift that only required enough faith in the premortal existence to accept God's plan.<br /><br />2. Saved from spiritual death. Here we have the issues of both Spirit Prison/Hell and Outer Darkness. Spirit Prison/Hell is a temporary situation, while Outer Darkness is eternal.<br />What is necessary to escape these? Faith in Christ's atonement, and repentance. Nothing else. One does not have to have charity or commandments (beyond faith and repentance). Once done, we are rescued from spiritual death (see Alma 36 for an example of rescue from hell during a near death experience, or the thief on the cross with Christ who would be that day in Paradise). Through the blood of Christ, we are justified or made guiltless, through faith and repentance. period.<br /><br />3. Exaltation, or a fullness of salvation. This is obtained by going through the sanctification process. As we develop faith, and go from grace to grace receiving grace for grace (D&C 93), we receive greater infusions of the Holy Ghost, which fills us and changes us into holier beings (see Mosiah 5:1-4). As the Spirit dwells within us, charity becomes a natural outcome. So does keeping all the other commandments. As we become holy, we become worthy or able to receive greater and greater glory/grace, until we are able to receive a fullness.<br /><br />So, the traditional idea of salvation by faith alone is not incorrect. It is just incomplete.rameumptomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16109035792711248691noreply@blogger.com