tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post8433913200650884695..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: The Word of Wisdom is Coming Back into Style: Conspiring Men and the Myth of Healthy Alcohol ConsumptionJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-42036232702755598222018-10-30T20:53:04.081-05:002018-10-30T20:53:04.081-05:00A excellent retort to the 9:46 AM, September 04, 2...A excellent retort to the 9:46 AM, September 04, 2018 comment is the 7:09 PM, September 03, 2018 comment: There's no doubt that apologetics plays a role in how some straws were developed for grasping onto, but they do not account for the core of what is there and provide no real explanatory power.<br /><br />Yawn, ya all have beat these tapirs to death...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-344198251792597732018-10-30T20:46:03.178-05:002018-10-30T20:46:03.178-05:00Jesus server the best wine to wine drinkers who kn...Jesus server the best wine to wine drinkers who knew what good alcohol filled wine should taste like.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-33430830698230000912018-09-06T22:55:23.314-05:002018-09-06T22:55:23.314-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-6460618821286348912018-09-05T23:38:01.077-05:002018-09-05T23:38:01.077-05:00conspiring men and vaccines.
there is a good book ...conspiring men and vaccines.<br />there is a good book written by a mormon on the subjectan ontihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13022426350168723058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-28504147858962799822018-09-04T09:46:34.383-05:002018-09-04T09:46:34.383-05:00Chiasmus, yawn. Hebraisms, inclusio, Semitic word ...Chiasmus, yawn. Hebraisms, inclusio, Semitic word plays, yawn. Authentic Old World names, Old world coronation ceremonies, artful use of themes related to covenant patterns, etc., etc. -- YAWN. Archaeological evidence? Yawn. Evidence from witnesses? Yawn. Sleep apnea is a killer -- I hope yo can get some help. "Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-48945661682734862372018-09-04T00:59:24.511-05:002018-09-04T00:59:24.511-05:00Chiasmus again? Yawn! Pass the vodka.Chiasmus again? Yawn! Pass the vodka.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-83446090024584247352018-09-03T19:09:52.024-05:002018-09-03T19:09:52.024-05:00OK, you keep repeating that indefensible statement...OK, you keep repeating that indefensible statement: "Like the Book of Mormon, the temple rituals, and much else, Doctrine and Covenants was cobbled together out of materials provided by Joseph Smith's cultural setting." Yawn. There's no doubt that environmental factors played roles in how some things were developed or influenced, but they do not account for the core of what is there and provide no real explanatory power. <br /><br />For starters, take a look at King Benjamin's speech in Mosiah 2-5, where we have a remarkably high density of chiasmus. Over a dozen instances of chiasmsus, some quite artful and dense, packed together with a host of other Hebraic poetical structures, while also following the multiple steps of the ancient covenant formulary that were not elucidated until the 20th century. We even have the link between the theme of dust and coronation/enthronement nicely played, in line with Walter Brueggeman's 1967 analysis of the ancient theme of rising from the dust and its relationship to covenant patterns, something not yet recognized in Joseph's day. Which specific elements of Joseph's environment was he drawing upon in crafting this poetic covenant-making masterpiece? Oh, a Protestant revival meeting, right? And can you explain specifically how that could lead to the ancient Semitic masterpiece we find in Mosiah? Your blind faith in the environmental hypothesis is so puzzling. Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-74247948787901907912018-09-03T19:00:58.560-05:002018-09-03T19:00:58.560-05:00The science just looks at one important aspect of ...The science just looks at one important aspect of alcohol use (health impact) and considers it in light of modern society and its risk factors. I can imagine that in an ideal Zion society there would be a role for very moderate use of alcoholic beverages and perhaps there the health impact would be negligible. I don't think that it needs to be an inherently bad thing, but for our day it is for the moment banned, and wisely so.<br /><br />In a future Zion society, perhaps alcohol will be somewhat like refined sugar: based on health alone, perhaps the ideal daily dose is zero, but there are times when a little can be appropriate and valuable for the enjoyment it brings. Or maybe the health benefits from moderate drinking under those circumstances will be stronger? Who knows? But for now, in our world, the data support the health benefits of our current version of the Word of Wisdom, both for liquor and certainly for tobacco.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-32857106895337254992018-09-03T11:19:46.790-05:002018-09-03T11:19:46.790-05:00Yes, Anon 9:45.
Don't get me wrong here --- I...Yes, Anon 9:45.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong here --- I'm glad to see Jeff putting his trust in modern science instead of the LDS scriptures --- but if alcohol is so bad for you, why would God speak of it as such a good thing? At times, wine is associated with drunkenness and disaster (e.g., Noah), but at other times the scriptures portray God himself as speaking of wine quite positively, e.g., in Numbers 18, where God tells Aaron, "All the best of the oil, and all the best of the wine, and of the wheat, the firstfruits of them which they shall offer unto the Lord, them have I given thee."<br /><br />For those keeping score: Science 1, Revelation 0.<br /><br />-- OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-8001656658971313562018-09-03T09:45:22.945-05:002018-09-03T09:45:22.945-05:00What about "barley for all useful animals, an...What about "barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks" and "inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, <i>only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.</i><br />6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make."<br /><br />Not even the Doctrine and Covenants recommended <i>zero</i> consumption. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-60942035120431426112018-09-03T08:39:23.098-05:002018-09-03T08:39:23.098-05:00Last Lemming, thanks a ton for the Lancet study. I...Last Lemming, thanks a ton for the Lancet study. Impressive, comprehensive approach with a remarkable conclusion. The optimum daily amount of alcohol for a healthy life is ZERO. Not one ounce, not half a glass of wine, not even a teaspoon, but zero. There is no overall health benefit to moderate drinking. But there sure would have been if the NIH scientists working with the liquor peddlers hadn't been so easy to expose. Sloppy work spoils another clever business model that almost succeeded. The world is healthier for their incompetence. Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-72289696292944099152018-09-03T01:38:33.975-05:002018-09-03T01:38:33.975-05:00I read that same article and thought "another...I read that same article and thought "another score for the word of wisdom".<br /><br />Anon above, maybe we should change the name of our choir too? Hahabunkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091655088509351675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-32555786645153805742018-09-02T18:53:01.386-05:002018-09-02T18:53:01.386-05:00Jeff, have you seen this recent article in the Lan...Jeff, have you seen this recent article in the Lancet? <br />https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)31310-2/fulltext#%20<br /><br />Money quote: "We found that the risk of all-cause mortality, and of cancers specifically, rises with increasing levels of consumption, and the level of consumption that minimises health loss is zero."<br /><br />Amusing footnote--the list of authors is as long as the article itself.Last Lemmingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-19633880001453663012018-09-02T16:18:42.264-05:002018-09-02T16:18:42.264-05:00Delete your blog. You're not supposed to be ca...Delete your blog. You're not supposed to be called a Mormon any more. It was a revelation given to your prophet. Will you obey? It seems important to him. More important than all the other things going on in the news that seem to have an impact on the church. So which is it Jeff? Do you obey the prophet you claim to support? If so, delete this whole blog immediately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-48982041190401651482018-09-02T10:30:40.713-05:002018-09-02T10:30:40.713-05:00Like the Book of Mormon, the temple rituals, and m...Like the Book of Mormon, the temple rituals, and much else, Doctrine and Covenants was cobbled together out of materials provided by Joseph Smith's cultural setting --- in this case, the American temperance movement.<br /><br />It's always glad to see good investigative journalism, though. Thank you, <i>New York Times</i>.<br /><br />-- OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com