tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post8697926384282752499..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Searching for Pearls in the Book of MormonJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-10531839806330809362009-12-22T12:25:44.523-06:002009-12-22T12:25:44.523-06:00And for someone who resides in Wisconsin, you shou...And for someone who resides in Wisconsin, you should peruse this site: <a href="http://www.uwlax.edu/mvac/SpecificSites/Trempealeau.htm" rel="nofollow">Archaeology in Trempealeau, Wisconsin</a><br /><br />Wherein is noted the discovery of a copper <b>breastplate</b> near the River Sidon (Mississippi river) in WI.<br /><br />This site <a href="http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/ohiopix/Image.cfm?ID=377" rel="nofollow">notes Copper Head and Breast Plates discovered in Ohio</a><br /><br />Merry Christmas!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-42651986596829783372009-12-22T12:11:28.543-06:002009-12-22T12:11:28.543-06:00Silly. Mesoamerica is NOT the best fit for the Boo...Silly. Mesoamerica is NOT the best fit for the Book of Mormon.<br /><br />The Nephite culture was destroyed. Their "cities, villages and towns" were burned with fire. Morm 5:5<br /><br />So why are you looking among stone pyramids? For the tax-deductible expense? [grin]<br /><br />A string of pearls were found in Ohio - if this URL to its image works:<br /><br />http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/ohiopix/Image.cfm?&start=31&searchfield=LCSubject&searchterm=Ohio%20--%20Antiquities&ID=7559<br /><br />The same site shows inlaid pearls in bear canines. Both found among the Hopewell culture which ended 400 A.D.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-61716911936025341062009-01-11T22:20:00.000-06:002009-01-11T22:20:00.000-06:00I didn't say Joseph couldn't have known about pear...I didn't say Joseph couldn't have known about pearls and Native Americans because that's not what I meant. He could have. He may have known of freshwater pearls found in ancient mounds or may have even heard of Montezuma's pearls, for all I know. I don't think he knew anything notable about Mesoamerica and don't think he had Mesoamerica in mind as he was translating the text (or fabricating it, if you prefer), but whether he knew of Mesoamerica or not, that's not really the point here for this post. <BR/><BR/>The interesting thing is that pearls, in many varieties, used for costly apparel, are indeed a notable element of Mesoamerica, the place where the Book of Mormon best fits. The reference to pearls in 4th Nephi is not necessarily a blunder, just in case anyone was wondering, and has a little depth behind it that I think adds richness and luster to one particular verse.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-62812422295623805982009-01-11T21:36:00.000-06:002009-01-11T21:36:00.000-06:00Jeff, I would like to know if you get alot of inte...Jeff, I would like to know if you get alot of interestig info from FARMS at BYU?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-11261975223690941902009-01-10T18:18:00.000-06:002009-01-10T18:18:00.000-06:00On the subject of horns, Tracy, I once had a perso...On the subject of horns, Tracy, I once had a person I found while tracting that they understood Mormons had horns. I said, "would you like to fell them?" They said yes, so I pointed to a spot on my head, and they touched the area.<BR/><BR/>I asked, "Can you feel anything yet?"<BR/><BR/>"No."<BR/><BR/>"Not even a little foolish?"<BR/><BR/>Or maybe that's just what I wish I'd said...MarkShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00667135616144802607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-67294946971515171002009-01-10T15:38:00.000-06:002009-01-10T15:38:00.000-06:00Jeff, Is there an apologetic purpose for this pos...Jeff, Is there an apologetic purpose for this post? If so, I don't get it.<BR/><BR/>Apparently documentation of the pearls was passed down, as evidenced by inclusion of the information in those history books published in 1832 and 1844.<BR/><BR/>You didn't actually say it, but the unspoken implication (or at least your critics will likely claim that your implication) is that "Joseph Smith couldn't have known about the pearls."<BR/><BR/>But you don't offer enough tidbits to actually come to that conclusion.<BR/><BR/>My understanding is that the general history of the conquistadors and Native American Indians was pretty much common knowledge among Caucasian Americans in the 1800's, as evidenced by a relative fascination with the American Indian.<BR/><BR/>The issue about pearls isn't a "new" discovery. It's always been known that the conquistadors got (stole) pearls from the natives.<BR/><BR/>Or as Brant Gardner might say, it's just a parallel, not a convergence.<BR/><BR/>If I were a dis-believer in the Book of Mormon, my bets would be on Oliver Cowdery as co-author with Joseph, with some sort of collusion with Sidney Rigdon. Oliver and Sidney had the education and exposure to literature and history to get so many things correct.<BR/><BR/>But I do believe in the Book of Mormon, and I know that it is what it presents itself to be.Bookslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077778974473538408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-37411657552323677752009-01-09T15:48:00.000-06:002009-01-09T15:48:00.000-06:00Yes, Anonymous, I'm very aware. And there's a scho...Yes, Anonymous, I'm very aware. <BR/>And there's a school of thought that Mormons worship the devil and file down the horns that grow on their heads. <BR/> It wouldn't be such a problem for me to reach up and file mine down had I not lost my arms during the attempt on my life, when I was offered as a virginal sacrifice on the altar of the temple. Luckily I was able to escape when a little white salamander climbed up and chewed through the cording binding my hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-74990522458190844722009-01-09T10:16:00.000-06:002009-01-09T10:16:00.000-06:00@ Anonymous 8:06 AM - Nice post and I can't resist...@ Anonymous 8:06 AM - <BR/><BR/>Nice post and I can't resist this jab.... "I remember hearing something that someone in the 1800's wrote that JS took from and the stuff JS wrote sounded a lot like all this stuff that I have no idea how to reference. I don't even know which stuff JS wrote that sounded a lot like all this other stuff."<BR/><BR/>Time to remove my name....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-54932406451846874892009-01-09T10:06:00.000-06:002009-01-09T10:06:00.000-06:00Hi Tracey,While I think you're just being sarcasti...Hi Tracey,<BR/><BR/>While I think you're just being sarcastistic, you might not know that there is a school of thought out there that JS got his inspirations not from God but from other fiction writers at the time. I wish I could remember who the author was, but there were some fantasy books written at the time of JS's alleged revelations that have a striking similarity to JS's revelations. Just something to consider.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-1170779758035274972009-01-09T10:00:00.000-06:002009-01-09T10:00:00.000-06:00Wow-- very interesting Jeff!!!I can always count o...Wow-- very interesting Jeff!!!<BR/>I can always count on you for new insights and info!<BR/><BR/>MarkS-- you're killing me! What a crack u! And undoubtedly, Joseph's revelations on The Garden of Eden and Adam-ondi-Ahman came after he read "East of Eden". He must have been one of those big 1800's Steinbeck followers. :) Steinbeck followerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-89795419143214957212009-01-09T07:29:00.000-06:002009-01-09T07:29:00.000-06:00Here's a story about a strand of Gulf Coast pearls...Here's a <A HREF="http://www.karipearls.com/antique-natural-pearl-necklace.html" REL="nofollow">story about a strand of Gulf Coast pearls</A> that was apparently recovered in an Iowa burial mound, for those interested in pearls among other Native Americans. Freshwater pearls were also known in North America.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-18914582186287782902009-01-08T23:34:00.000-06:002009-01-08T23:34:00.000-06:00I'm sure Joseph Smith just figured this out from r...I'm sure Joseph Smith just figured this out from reading "The Pearl" in junior high, and added the info to the Book of Mormon on a whim.MarkShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00667135616144802607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-52135769451864259592009-01-08T22:38:00.000-06:002009-01-08T22:38:00.000-06:00Nice find, Jeff! Close reading strikes again.Nitsa...Nice find, Jeff! Close reading strikes again.<BR/><BR/>Nitsav, http://faithpromotingrumor.wordpress.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com