tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post9202656030629719943..comments2023-11-02T07:25:45.884-05:00Comments on Mormanity - a blog for those interested in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: The Chile Santiago East Mission Prepared for an Earthquake: Lessons from Inspiration Given to a Mission President's WifeJeff Lindsayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-29437626797403996462014-04-13T21:32:21.029-05:002014-04-13T21:32:21.029-05:00Felt need to say this to you although I don't ...Felt need to say this to you although I don't know. Its starting I know it too..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-29048788648556879772010-03-14T19:26:38.975-05:002010-03-14T19:26:38.975-05:00To further clarify. I guess I mean best explanati...To further clarify. I guess I mean best explanation of the circumstances and not 'right'. It's impossible to say with certainty who is 'right' in such a circumstance as I can never disprove that such things are miracles which come from god. I merely suggest that this explanation doesn't seem to be the most likely or probable. I suppose by definition though that miracles are supposed to be acts which don't have a rational cause and effect though so perhaps the point is mute anyways.Mateohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18021537443072398547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-37287010151799529862010-03-14T18:34:13.835-05:002010-03-14T18:34:13.835-05:00@ ryan,
While one can look at it this way (and the...@ ryan,<br />While one can look at it this way (and there is no way for me to prove one way or the other) it seems difficult to say that this is the correct way to look at the situation. On any given day there are billion things that could happen. For 99% of those things you won't even notice them because they don't have any apparent consequence for you. You have millions of thoughts in a given month and most of them have little to do with forseeing a future event. After the event occurs people tend to notice how crazy and exact their knowledge of the event was and boot out the thousands of thoughts that didn't ever go anywhere. <br /><br />Essentially what I'm saying is the success rate for things using a miracle explanation seems to be about the same as the rate of things happening with out any sort of divine influence. We decide after the fact which of all these things are the 'important' and 'amazing' insights.<br /><br />Again, perhaps I'm wrong. I just think people should use the same measuring stick with all occurences instead of the ones that affirm what they wish to believe.Mateohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18021537443072398547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-14728801337431773782010-03-14T17:31:50.488-05:002010-03-14T17:31:50.488-05:00We had to stay indoors as the mission president ha...<i>We had to stay indoors as the mission president had received a prompting. We all did, and there were no riots or danger. Would this be evidence that God does not talk to mission presidents?</i><br /><br />I would tend to take it as a sign that we don't know what would have happened, though it apparently wasn't related to rioting.<br /><br />There are an awful lot of "small and simple things" by which terrible things can be brought to pass. I have been sure for many years now that, looking back on our lives, we will be astonished at the veritable minefield which we navigated in mortality, guided by promptings so small we didn't even realize we followed them much of the time.Ryanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16637903015592683300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-24883981321259212302010-03-14T15:31:30.851-05:002010-03-14T15:31:30.851-05:00Perhaps things happened as stated. I don't qu...Perhaps things happened as stated. I don't quite get why god tells some and not others. I'd imagine that on an average day there is some portion of people that dream about a horrible event and 99% of the time nothing comes of it. Of course that 1% of the time when someone is correct then it is seen as an act of God. It's definitely interesting stuff.<br /><br />On my mission we were told to prepare for danger during an election. We had to stay indoors as the mission president had received a prompting. We all did, and there were no riots or danger. Would this be evidence that god does not talk to mission presidents? If not then why does the previously stated example show us a definite miracle and yet the ones that don't come out to be true are never seen as signs that point to the contrary?Mateohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18021537443072398547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-83525755882425823552010-03-11T22:34:05.900-06:002010-03-11T22:34:05.900-06:00You may recall Elder Scott suggested to all of us ...You may recall Elder Scott suggested to all of us that we ought to find a way to record the promptings that we get during his talk in Conference last fall. Perhaps the real moral of the story here is that the spirit speaks softly to each of us from time-to-time, but we are always expecting the pillar of light, rather than the quiet voice. For that reason, many of us miss the opportunity to act on inspiration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-75212597630590335312010-03-11T21:25:31.758-06:002010-03-11T21:25:31.758-06:00I'll warn everyone now, for the record: Stuff&...I'll warn everyone now, for the record: Stuff's gonna happen. Something's gonna 'splode. Waves, quakes, fires, and shabang is all a coming. Get ready, folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-32843992931498069352010-03-11T17:43:01.334-06:002010-03-11T17:43:01.334-06:00Tom, maybe not specifically, but in general, membe...Tom, maybe not specifically, but in general, members have been warned, to keep a 72-hour "grab and go" emergency kit.<br /><br />The spiritual warning to the Mision President's wife was not time specific, was it? If I read correctly, it was "prepare for an earthquake."<br /><br />Missionaries generally don't keep, and aren't generally instructed to keep (as far as I know) a "grab-and-go" kit or "72 hour" kit. <br /><br />So in essence, those missionaries merely got through their channel what members have been told for years now. And yeah, sounds like good advice to follow all the time for all missionaries all over.Bookslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077778974473538408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-47389537299880994122010-03-11T00:40:27.288-06:002010-03-11T00:40:27.288-06:00I only wish the Lord had warned the poor members a...I only wish the Lord had warned the poor members and non members of the coming earthquake. I wonder why some were warned and not others.<br />This really does show that our missionaries are special. Great story.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-17282232228737864752010-03-10T13:22:34.170-06:002010-03-10T13:22:34.170-06:00Sometimes Church News gets so treacly sweet it can...Sometimes <i>Church News</i> gets so treacly sweet it can seem incredulous, or at least make you wonder what mundane but otherwise pertinent things they are leaving out of a story. I subscribed for a while to the physical delivery edition, but the reporting and writing was so insipid I let it expire. The only column I regularly read was the "Missionary Moments" every 3rd week on the back page.<br /><br />I had to keep reminding myself that the actual facts and news and events reported are true, regardless of what is left unsaid. This really is a church and a gospel of honest-to-goodness miracles in our day. All the amazing events of the past, as documented in the scriptures, are happening in some form, or at least could be happening, today. <br /><br />(I'm not aware of any recent Pentecost-like outpourings of the Spirit, where a group of missionaries speaks in several languages previously unknown to them, and has 5000 converts in a single day. But on a much smaller scale, I do believe it happens. And if the need is there, if people are ready, and if the Lord is willing, it still _could_ happen on the same large scale. The Lord doesn't change. We do.)<br /><br />Ammon and Moroni were right. With the Spirit, you could do anything that is expedient in the Lord, said Ammon. And as Moroni said, if miracles aren't happening, it's our fault (or our lack of something), not God's.Bookslingerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15077778974473538408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-49589810722893802362010-03-08T21:36:40.336-06:002010-03-08T21:36:40.336-06:00Thanks for sharing!Thanks for sharing!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05099167172479214881noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-31083984007075047722010-03-08T21:33:14.848-06:002010-03-08T21:33:14.848-06:00The bogus faith promoting stories out there have i...The bogus faith promoting stories out there have inoculated many of us against the real ones when we hear them.Jeff Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08776493593387402607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-62858499775423671842010-03-08T11:18:21.409-06:002010-03-08T11:18:21.409-06:00You know, someone mentioned this story in Gospel D...You know, someone mentioned this story in Gospel Doctrine yesterday. I rolled my eyes and thought "here's the latest Mormon urban legend."<br /><br />I'm glad to know that it's a true story!Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04120374705032268459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-67261588838059130362010-03-08T08:41:04.610-06:002010-03-08T08:41:04.610-06:00The mother of one of the missionaries in this miss...The mother of one of the missionaries in this mission shared parts of this story with us in sacrament meeting yesterday. She smiled when recalling her son telling her about the "Armageddon backpacks" the missionaries had prepared :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-88187331105162106492010-03-08T08:41:02.539-06:002010-03-08T08:41:02.539-06:00Now here is the amazing thing, my nephew is in th...Now here is the amazing thing, my nephew is in the rancagua on his mission and we recieved an email from him that his mission presidents wife also had promptings weeks before the earthquake for the missionaries to store water. I don't remember him talking about food but she also did not say anything specific about an earthquake coming, as far as my nephew's email saying so. Plenty of miracles coming from Chile, and also knowing that the work continues. They had babtisms just this last week in rancagua.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05816549810869986623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-26678279729149083332010-03-07T21:21:57.171-06:002010-03-07T21:21:57.171-06:00Jeff, thanks for sharing this story.Jeff, thanks for sharing this story.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11294214866282354575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-92207007362180387832010-03-07T21:05:29.179-06:002010-03-07T21:05:29.179-06:00I've heard of similar miracles around the temp...I've heard of similar miracles around the temple in Santiago. It is incredible the way the Lord uses these events to build our faith.Dallinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08545929299258364935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-5177893309524569352010-03-07T19:35:55.925-06:002010-03-07T19:35:55.925-06:00What a wonderful story!What a wonderful story!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7139169.post-84638788412650773972010-03-07T19:35:19.956-06:002010-03-07T19:35:19.956-06:00What a wonderful story!What a wonderful story!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com